Ukrainian War Developments
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Broccoli
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For it's porky leadership.
For average people in that country? Not so much. Many Russians moved into Finland before sanctions kicked in because they dont wanna live in giant North-Korea.
escobar
Brigadier
Not directly but Finland can count on the European Union’s mutual defense clause in the event of a military attack, The clause in Article 42 of the 2009 Treaty requires “other EU countries to come to the support and aid, with all possible means, of a member state under armed attack.
Finland is also part of the NATO Response Force (NRF) , a highly ready and technologically advanced, multinational force made up of land, air, maritime, and Special Operations Forces (SOF) components the Alliance can deploy quickly, wherever needed.
So with all that, can you be sure that US will not strike back if putin start a nuclear war?
Russia have 3,000 POWs already. I think they are making a big mistake and are not punishing the Ukrainians hard enough. Ukraine has already clearly demonstrated they are incapable of upholding the GC so it no longer applies. In war it is a mutual thing. If you take that many already pretty soon you will have tens of thousands which will affect your own logistics and supplies.
Russia also needs to come out of this war with a very high K
. Something like 10:1 or more. If 5,000 Russians and 50,000 Ukrainians die people will step back and recognise that the Russian military threat was underestimated during the war. Ukrainians and other eastern Europans will remember it for generations and realise what happens if you mess around with Russians.
If it's a similiar number because than people will think "if the Ukrainians can do that, imagine how well a west European country can do". And you'll just get continuous confrontation, maybe even a direct military invasion of Russia.
So far I've seen no evidence that Russia is willing to inflict those numbers of deaths on Ukrainians. They are still in the "brother war" mindset.
Russia also needs to come out of this war with a very high K
. Something like 10:1 or more. If 5,000 Russians and 50,000 Ukrainians die people will step back and recognise that the Russian military threat was underestimated during the war. Ukrainians and other eastern Europans will remember it for generations and realise what happens if you mess around with Russians.If it's a similiar number because than people will think "if the Ukrainians can do that, imagine how well a west European country can do". And you'll just get continuous confrontation, maybe even a direct military invasion of Russia.
So far I've seen no evidence that Russia is willing to inflict those numbers of deaths on Ukrainians. They are still in the "brother war" mindset.
If Russia struck a remote Finnish base with nukes to pre-empt NATO membership, I'm pretty sure Finland and NATO will backdown....Finland isn't a member so not protected under nuclear umbrella, and EU/NATO need consensus to act, many don't want to risk nuclear WW3 with Russia. However, in the long term, more 'unfriendly' countries will probably get nukes to avoid nuclear blackmail and even China can't support a nuclear strike given it's NFU policy. So Putin the master genius probably know this ....nukes are last resort. One thing is, Russia shouldn't keep on using this nuke threat again again or else it loses its value.
What are you trying to say about the average people in the DRPK? That they are starving or living a very poor life?
If so, I got a bridge to sell to you lol.
Jesus, why do you want them to kill all of them badly, this would only make the Ukrainian population hate Russia more although they already are, but there's no need to further rile up their local population to support or commit hate crimes on Russian-speaking locals. It would also be better that they are captured alive, for negotiations later on.Russia have 3,000 POWs already. I think they are making a big mistake and are not punishing the Ukrainians hard enough. Ukraine has already clearly demonstrated they are incapable of upholding the GC so it no longer applies. In war it is a mutual thing. If you take that many already pretty soon you will have tens of thousands which will affect your own logistics and supplies.
Russia also needs to come out of this war with a very high K
If it's a similiar number because than people will think "if the Ukrainians can do that, imagine how well a west European country can do". And you'll just get continuous confrontation, maybe even a direct military invasion of Russia.
So far I've seen no evidence that Russia is willing to inflict those numbers of deaths on Ukrainians. They are still in the "brother war" mindset.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Since when was the US a member of the EU again?
The US has always interpreted treaty obligations as its national interests require, and it would be so incredibly easy to wash their hands of any NATO commitments by arguing that as a defensive alliance, the US would only be obliged to intervene if a NATO member state was attacked without provocation. Such security assurances would thus not apply where NATO member states started a war as part of another block (EU) and launched attacks against another nation not directly attacking any NATO member states first.
The US could care less about the EU’s credibility and will not endure a nuclear war to defend the EU’s honour. As a current senior American official has said and will say again, fuck the EU.
Without the US, the EU has no means or balls to face Russia alone, especially when facing up to Russia means shooting nukes and receiving far more in reply.
Very few people here are even Russian and no one here as any influence on Putin does. If Putin decides tomorrow to nuke Washington, London/Berlin it wasn't because he logged onto sinodefenceforum and read @Phead128's advice.
We're just pointing out the options Putin has if he's pushed into a corner, some people here seem to be delusional about that.
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