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And based on what?? They have barely designed and developed anything on their own, they have no engine nad if they continue with this political game I see no Chance of getting any help from anyone in the West, ... and meta-material is neither some sort of magic which solves everything nor is it easily available.

If it would be so much easy "to build a Raptor-equivalent considering that it's essentially 1995 technology" just tell me why Russia and China, both with vast experience and a well established aviation industry so far either failed or needed so Long to succeed and Turky with barely ZERO experience should manage this until 2028?? Forget it, this is nothing but a wet-dream and it will in the end even more dramatically fail than the Indian Tejas.
In the Russian case, they're out of money. In China's case, the J-20 seems to be intended to utilize metamaterials so that the J-20 is not going to be Raptor-equivalent, especially when it uses EODAS like the F-35.
 
May 17, 2019
it's
Time to Pull US Nuclear Weapons Out of Turkey
according to DefenseOne
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partly related is
Turkey Hints at Cutting Off Access to Incirlik if US Is 'Hostile' over S-400 Purchase
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Turkey's minister of foreign affairs spoke out against the United States' decision to remove the NATO ally from the
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program, as well as the looming possibility the Trump administration
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.

"If the U.S. shows a hostile attitude to us, we will take a step against it," Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told Turkish
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.

That could mean curtailing operations or expelling U.S. forces at
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, or limiting coalition operations at Kürecik radar station, he said. His comments about the bases were first
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.

Incirlik has played a key role in air operations against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. In 2016,
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during a failed coup attempt in the country.

While Çavuşoğlu was not immediately clear on Turkey's path forward at Incirlik or Kürecik, his comments come after the Trump administration confirmed last week that Turkey will be removed from the F-35 program after it
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of the Russian-made S-400 surface-to-air missile system, which Moscow calls the "F-35 killer."

While President Donald Trump called it "a very tough situation," he said sales of the stealth jet to Turkey would no longer be an option due to its pursuit of the S-400.

Following the White House's announcement, the Pentagon last week said it will
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to find new suppliers for the stealth jet fighter parts currently produced by Turkey.

Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment Ellen Lord and Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy David Trachtenberg told reporters during a briefing last week that the U.S. will spend that much "in non-recurring engineering in order to shift the supply chain" as Turkey "unwinds" from the program by March 2020.

But U.S. officials have not ruled out the possibility that an F-35 belonging to another country -- likely the U.S. -- might one day operate in Turkey and in proximity to the S-400, even though the U.S. has deemed the combination a national security threat.

"I don't want to potentially tie, right now, a blanket operational assessment with a technological assessment,"
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Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein recently
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.

Replying to the question, "Does this mean you're never going to fly F-35s in Turkey?" Goldfein said, "I can't commit that because I don't have an assessment of the threat and where it is in real time. And I'm going to make a decision in real time, as I do every other time."

Turkey's decision to buy the S-400 has been in the works for years. In 2017, it
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with Russia to purchase the S-400, known as the "Triumf." Since then, Pentagon leaders, lawmakers and State Department officials have raised concerns over the vulnerabilities posed should Turkey operate the F-35 and S-400 simultaneously.

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Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, former program executive officer (PEO) for the F-35 program, agreed with the administration that Turkey needs to exit the program to protect the integrity and security of the F-35.

"The S-400 system and the F-35 are not compatible, and there's too much at stake with the F-35 for the U.S. government not to do something about it," he said during a recent interview with Military.com.

Bogdan was the Joint Program Office chief between 2012 and 2017.

"When I was the PEO, we saw this coming. And the previous administration had discussed it and, diplomatically and politically, they tried hard to avoid it," he said last week. "And I don't know about this administration and what it's done to try and avoid it. But now we're ... faced with a very tough decision."
 

Viktor Jav

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In the Russian case, they're out of money. In China's case, the J-20 seems to be intended to utilize metamaterials so that the J-20 is not going to be Raptor-equivalent, especially when it uses EODAS like the F-35.
Russia is out of money to even make progress on R&D, yet they are making bold claims about how the Su-57 is ready for full scale production and the likes. What applies to the F-35 works for the Su-57 in this case, the difference being that LM can afford to throw millions into fixing the problems. But that does not dismiss the fact that Russia is no closer to having even a F-22 esque fighter ready.

As for China I will let this sentence explain :

In China's case, the J-20 seems to be intended to utilize metamaterials so that the J-20 is not going to be Raptor-equivalent, especially when it uses EODAS like the F-35.
Which in other words, the J-20 coulda, shoulda and woulda use metamerials, but it does not atm. The only advantage it could claim over the F-22 is the EODAS and IRST, with the IRST only being really useful at close range and the EODAS having the problem of potentially confusing the pilot.
 

Inst

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EODAS has the main disadvantage that the coding needed for sensor fusion is incredibly difficult, with American EODAS having pronounced teething problems.
 

Anlsvrthng

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EODAS has the main disadvantage that the coding needed for sensor fusion is incredibly difficult, with American EODAS having pronounced teething problems.
What else can you expect from the company that failed to deliver a (working) spare part inventory system ?
 
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Turkey's first S-400 shipment complete, second planned for Ankara: officials
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Russia has completed delivery of the first shipment of its S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems to Turkey and a second shipment is now being planned, Turkish military officials said on Thursday.

Turkey began taking delivery of the advanced Russian air defense system earlier this month, prompting the United States to remove NATO ally Turkey from the F-35 jet program over security concerns.

Washington has also threatened to impose sanctions on Turkey, though Ankara has dismissed the warnings. It has instead put its trust in sympathetic comments from U.S. President Donald Trump, who has said that Turkey was treated “unfairly”.

At a briefing in Ankara, military officials said on Thursday that Turkey was still discussing where exactly to base the first S-400 shipment.

U.S. officials are concerned that the stealth capabilities of the F-35 Lockheed Martin fighter would be jeopardized if deployed together with the S-400s.

Turkey has dismissed those concerns and said the decision to remove it from the project was not finalised. Military officials said Ankara expected the United States to change its stance.

“As a strategic partner, it is our most natural right to expect the United States to change its current stance. The project has been suspended, but there is no clear removal or cancellation yet,” one of the military sources said.

Russia’s Rostec state conglomerate said Russia would be ready to supply its SU-35 jets to Turkey if Ankara requested them. Turkish officials said on Thursday there were no talks with Moscow on procuring alternatives to the F-35 jets for now.

Turkish officials said it was unclear if Turkey would be refunded its investments in the F-35 project, which have totaled over $1 billion for orders of 116 F-35 jets in addition to manufacturing costs.

Washington has offered to sell Ankara its Patriot defense systems, but Turkey has said that the U.S. offer was not as viable as the Russian deal. Officials said on Thursday the two sides continued to discuss the matter.
 

Air Force Brat

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And based on what?? They have barely designed and developed anything on their own, they have no engine nad if they continue with this political game I see no Chance of getting any help from anyone in the West, ... and meta-material is neither some sort of magic which solves everything nor is it easily available.

If it would be so much easy "to build a Raptor-equivalent considering that it's essentially 1995 technology" just tell me why Russia and China, both with vast experience and a well established aviation industry so far either failed or needed so Long to succeed and Turky with barely ZERO experience should manage this until 2028?? Forget it, this is nothing but a wet-dream and it will in the end even more dramatically fail than the Indian Tejas.
Exactly, there is a reason why 5th Generation aircraft are so "rare" and expensive?
 

Air Force Brat

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for example
  • The Turkish S-400 could be prohibited from operating whenever their F-35s fly within the S-400 radar range.
I don't think that's going to "fly" either my friend, Turkey has breached their partnership agreement, so NO there won't be any compensation. So as the opposition in Turkey has reminded, 30,000 aerospace workers jobs are in jeopardy.. it really is very sad...

As well all the partners have had their trust betrayed, and will have to "bail out" the F-35 trust and come up with new suppliers.

a very poor business decision prompted by?? paranoia???
 

Ali Qizilbash

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I don't think that's going to "fly" either my friend, Turkey has breached their partnership agreement, so NO there won't be any compensation. So as the opposition in Turkey has reminded, 30,000 aerospace workers jobs are in jeopardy.. it really is very sad...

As well all the partners have had their trust betrayed, and will have to "bail out" the F-35 trust and come up with new suppliers.

a very poor business decision prompted by?? paranoia???
Paranoia.... lol..... My dear, this mistrust of USA is based on a failed attempt to kill Erdogan in coup. Don't call it paranoia. Any how soverigenity is more important that allies like US
 

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