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siegecrossbow

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I always thought that abandoning the F-35 for S-400 was a bad deal, especially since Turkey is one of the starting members in the F-35 program.
 

gelgoog

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I always thought that abandoning the F-35 for S-400 was a bad deal, especially since Turkey is one of the starting members in the F-35 program.

The coup attempt against Erdogan was led by members of the Turkish Air Force. It was a way to snub them.
Also Turkey has been trying to acquire air defense systems for a long time.

Greece also has the S-300. It was transferred from Cyprus. You know how the Turks need to have every weapons system the Greeks have and vice versa. They are both in NATO but hate each other's guts.
 

sequ

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Number 261...

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The previous production rate was 108 per year calculated from the 26th of July till 23rd of September last year. From 23rd of September (#218) till now (#261) is approximately 141 per annum production. The production has been ramped up!

There is a Canadian company that is literally missing out hundreds of millions of $$$...
 
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Abominable

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I always thought that abandoning the F-35 for S-400 was a bad deal, especially since Turkey is one of the starting members in the F-35 program.
Especially given they haven't even deployed it. Its sat in a warehouse somewhere.

Apparently Turkey are now negiotiating for a new batch of F-16s, it makes no sense whatsoever.
 

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There are serious signs and other rumors of a US-Turkey rapprochement. It seems that NATO needs Turkey against possible Russian aggression.

- The US abandoning the East-Med pipline
- Signs that Turkey and the US are going to talk about the F-35
- Rumors about possible US tech collab on TF-X??

Again, the 2nd and especially the 3rd are based on rumors.
I think the British are already working with Turkey on the TF-X.

Introducing a third party, even say Lockheed Martin, is only going to complicate things at this stage of the R&D cycle.
 

sequ

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I think the British are already working with Turkey on the TF-X.

Introducing a third party, even say Lockheed Martin, is only going to complicate things at this stage of the R&D cycle.
I didn't specify it, but according to the rumor it's about the engines.

Again, it's all rumors for now.
 
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sequ

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The intelligence gathering ship 'TCG Ufuk' has been commissioned.

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Some of the statements made by the President during the ceremony:

  • "I hope that our TCG UFUK Ship, which I think will help our country's security and intelligence activities to be carried out in the most effective way at sea, will be beneficial to our National Intelligence Organization."
  • "We have implemented projects that will make our navy stronger and deterrent for the security of the Blue Homeland. We have achieved the 70% nationality target in Marine Projects."
  • "Our country's first intelligence ship was built under the leadership of STM with the contributions of 194 leading companies in their fields such as Aselsan, Havelsan, İşbir, Anel and Yaltes."
  • "We have exported 180 naval platforms to 25 countries so far. Hopefully, we will receive new good news on this subject in the near future."
  • "We used to import the Vertical Launch System, which is the main weapon group of our frigates, today we have a domestic and national system. Our 6th-7th-8th frigate, which we are bidding with our Istanbul ship, will also have domestic vertical launch system and domestic air defense missiles."
  • "We entered the tender for the 6-7-8 ships of the Istanbul Class. We are breaking new ground by constructing three warships at the same time."
  • "We will strengthen our navy even more in the next two years. We are going to the TF-2000 tender soon."

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How I think the Turkish navy surface combatant fleet will look like in 2030:

2x 8500t TF-2000 destroyer
4x 4100t Gabya class with ESSM
4x 3300t Modernized Barbaros class frigate
4x 3000t I-class frigate
4x 2400t ADA class corvette
8x 2300t Hisar class OPV (based on ADA with FFBNW weapons and sensors)
10x 600-1000t new FAC
9x 500t Kilic class FAC
16x 400t Tuzla class patrol boat
6x 1850t Reis class submarine
8x 1800t Type 209T1/2 modernized

Unspecified amount of STM-500 mini subs, possible STM-1700 sub, indigenous Milden sub and more TF-2000 to enter service before 2030 or shortly after.
 
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siegecrossbow

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"We used to import the Vertical Launch System, which is the main weapon group of our frigates, today we have a domestic and national system. Our 6th-7th-8th frigate, which we are bidding with our Istanbul ship, will also have domestic vertical launch system and domestic air defense missiles."

Does the domestic VLS use hot launch, cold launch, or combined?
 
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sequ

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Does the domestic VLS use hot launch, cold launch, or combined?
There are 2 VLS under development, one from Roketsan (MiDAS), which is hot launch and one from Tubitak-Sage (EDAS) which is cold launch. Currently the hot launch method is to be installed on the first I class frigate. But who knows, perhaps the cold launch will also be used.

Each launch method has their own advantages and disadvantages. The fact that both methods are being developed is only better.
 
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