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siegecrossbow

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I do want to see F-35B's on the Anadolu though. It would be the perfect high-low mix together with the TB3.

If Turkey gets re-admitted to the F-35 program I hope they are allowed to integrate other munitions besides the SOM-J.

I think it is more likely under Trump than it is under Biden. Democrats are very ideology oriented and wouldn't want to be seen compromising with what they declare authoritarian states.
 

Skywatcher

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I think it is more likely under Trump than it is under Biden. Democrats are very ideology oriented and wouldn't want to be seen compromising with what they declare authoritarian states.
Honestly, we Democrats at the end of the day don't really care about authoritarian states anymore than Republicans do (though some of us might be noisier about it for a bit).
 

pmc

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Turkey managed to sell drones in Eastern EU. if Germany really stand with US in global affairs. than F-35 not big deal.
 

Philister

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Honestly, we Democrats at the end of the day don't really care about authoritarian states anymore than Republicans do (though some of us might be noisier about it for a bit).
I’m pretty sure there’s no “we Democrats”,democrats like pelosi or Joseph Biden at his prime could make compromises ,as for Wokies whom would surely take charge of the Democratic Party in a few years? That would be crazy for them to compromise on anything , they have nothing but ideology.
About authoritarian countries, US won the Cold War partially because you guys are much more flexible than the soviets ,if you would put that name on a nato country like Turkey without hesitation, then good luck to you, cuz your country or at least your party ,your ideology isn’t going to last
 

sequ

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There are serious signs and other rumors of a US-Turkey rapprochement. It seems that NATO needs Turkey against possible Russian aggression.

- The US abandoning the East-Med pipline
- Signs that Turkey and the US are going to talk about the F-35
- Rumors about possible US tech collab on TF-X??

Again, the 2nd and especially the 3rd are based on rumors.
 
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Philister

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There are serious signs and other rumors of a US-Turkey rapprochement. It seems that NATO needs Turkey against possible Russian aggression.

- The US abandoning the East-Med pipline
- Signs that Turkey and the US are going to talk about the F-35
- Rumors about possible US tech collab on TF-X??

Again, the 2nd and especially the 3rd are based on rumors.
Based on KF-21 project, I think joint development is impossible, so is the F-35,but somehow I think new F-16 blk-70s or at least upgrade kits are possible ?
 

Philister

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There are serious signs and other rumors of a US-Turkey rapprochement. It seems that NATO needs Turkey against possible Russian aggression.

- The US abandoning the East-Med pipline
- Signs that Turkey and the US are going to talk about the F-35
- Rumors about possible US tech collab on TF-X??

Again, the 2nd and especially the 3rd are based on rumors.
To be honest,I don’t get the obsession with F-35 ,it’s not like there’s going to be a war with Greece ,projects like TF-2000&altay could use more funds ,let alone the drone industry ,and they would actually help building an indigenous defense industry,why wasting money on a fighter jets?
 

sequ

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Based on KF-21 project, I think joint development is impossible, so is the F-35,but somehow I think new F-16 blk-70s or at least upgrade kits are possible ?

To be honest,I don’t get the obsession with F-35 ,it’s not like there’s going to be a war with Greece ,projects like TF-2000&altay could use more funds ,let alone the drone industry ,and they would actually help building an indigenous defense industry,why wasting money on a fighter jets?
Well they are rumors for now, but there might be several reasons for a Turk-US rapproachement. The biggest is the growing threat of Russia. Another reason is that Turkey is developing various weapons that compete or will compete with US weapons. In this case it is better for the US to keep Turkey reliant on its (sub)systems like the F-35 and the F404/F110 engines. The various Turkish ships also need GE's gasturbines and TEI has recently signed a deal with GE to co-produce the LM2500.

As for the need for the F-35, the TF-X will only arrive in sufficient enough numbers to be advantageous for Turkey, not earlier than 10 years form now if everything goes right. This gap of 10 years might be plugged somewhat by a supersonic MIUS and a whatever stealth drone TAI comes up with and potential a combat version of the Hurjet, but it is better not to bet on it as this is the first time Turkey is making such niche and high tech products. F-35 gives Turkey room to breathe. This doesn't mean it will cut R&D funding in favor of foreign systems.

The US might also be eyeing the use of the TCG Anadolu in the black sea under NATO command. F-35B's will thus come in handy for not only Turkey, but the entirety of NATO.

For now, both NATO(+US) and Turkey are codependant, whether they like it or not.

As for the funds and timeline of various systems, every project has a schedule and budget. The Altay is ready but it's waiting for a powerpack. Soon the Altay can choose between three powerpacks, two indigenous (one diesel, one hybrid/electric) and one foreign(South-Korea). Throwing money at it will do little wrt speed, if any.
 

foxmulder

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:) Yeah.. some of you guys are living in fantasy land.. I tell you what will happen if US acts with a backbone and never sells F-35s to Turkey. turkey will collaborate with Korea and rebadge KF-21 as TF-21. that is the best case scenario. There is no way Turkey can build a 4th generation yet alone 5th generation without 70-80% component help from foreign countries. Even current infamous drones turkey is producing depends very heavily on subsystems from all over the world. If Turkey faces a sanction like it did during Cyprus invasion it will not able to produce or fly anything.
 

sequ

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:) Yeah.. some of you guys are living in fantasy land.. I tell you what will happen if US acts with a backbone and never sells F-35s to Turkey. turkey will collaborate with Korea and rebadge KF-21 as TF-21. that is the best case scenario. There is no way Turkey can build a 4th generation yet alone 5th generation without 70-80% component help from foreign countries. Even current infamous drones turkey is producing depends very heavily on subsystems from all over the world. If Turkey faces a sanction like it did during Cyprus invasion it will not able to produce or fly anything.

:) Yeah.. see you in the next ten years..


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