Trump admin legacy: Poisoning future US China relationship

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BMEWS

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Real gold my friend. I've bought credit Suisse gold, RMB via a broker, lots of stock etfs, a new kayak, PC, etc. im trying to hold on only enough cash for rent and bills. Inflation is coming in my opinion, stores are stripped of goods, because they giving people so much money via unemployment checks, that people are buying up every thing.
Yeah Im hoping the RTX3080Ti comes out soon, want to get that card for FS2020 and the Cyberpunk 2077
Other than that probably load up on some firearms and ammo while I still can.
 

localizer

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@ansy1968 Appreciate/depreciation to control exports is a fallacy from my point of view.

If Yuan appreciate, CCP must remove import tariff on things like food and raw materials. This way labor can be hired at lower price to still remain competitive.
 

ansy1968

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Economic liberalization will only make China grow faster. CCP balances control vs economy, but Chinese must realize by now that CCP is their best option. CCP should realize this and relax controls and still feel safe.

The only reason I can think of Chinese overthrowing the CCP is if CCP fucks up the economy.
Hi localizer,

That's why I admire the temerity and patience of the CCP leadership , instead of reacting to Trump tantrum and sanction, it react in a different way and welcome more American investment. My likely theory is that there are American elites who are Panda lovers (mostly for business) that advise a counter move.

And of course Nationalism helps a lot, The Chinese may be in a forgiving mood cause they know their under attack and need to unite for a possible hardship to come.
 

free_6ix9ine

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@ansy1968 @free_6ix9ine @BMEWS

I can see within 5 years, it might become 25% each between Dollar, Yuan, Euro, Gold-backed instruments.

A collapse in Dollar won't sent people towards the Yuan. It will decrease confidence in all Fiat.

Eh, I beg to differ. I do think covid has done a lot of damage to the USD, primarily because Trump has destroyed whatever reputation that the US had as a competent country. Sure Trump may lose the election but he may not leave or try to stir up craziness to delay the election. Even if there is a peaceful transition, it doesn't solve the social (racial tensions) and economic problems ( wealth inequality) that lead to election of Trump. In fact I can see the crazies get crazier on both sides. So there could be another Trump in four years. Plus negative yields mean holding usd gives you no return so holding gold or yuan (positive yield gov bonds) is a much better return. Euro is truly a basket case, they don't have problem of an insane president, but they got their own problrms of negative yields and problem of slow monetary policy decision making.

That's why my bet is on Gold and RMB, Gold because it's not printable, RMB because trust in Chinas economy is much better because of the government effectiveness of handling crisis such as covid and the economic fall out.
 

zgx09t

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A few laptops running simultaneously with VPN or AWS like services can do stuff like above no doubt. Just one guy with multiple accounts talking back and forth, trolling merrily along the way.
 

ansy1968

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@ansy1968 Appreciate/depreciation to control exports is a fallacy from my point of view.

If Yuan appreciate, CCP must remove import tariff on things like food and raw materials. This way labor can be hired at lower price to still remain competitive.
Hi localizer,

Its being done under propse RCEP, hopefully If done properly it will side step the US.
 

localizer

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Regardless, in the next few years Chinese will see what the CCP is really about.

Does CCP care more about the overseas wealth of its members and are just using Chinese as mules. (Keeping dollars)

Or CCP cares about China and the future of the Chinese people. (Dumps dollars)



I would seriously question their competency if they let Chinese USD assets fall much more. China already lost $300 billion in 3 months which is almost a Tencent.
 
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free_6ix9ine

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Economic liberalization will only make China grow faster. CCP balances control vs economy, but Chinese must realize by now that CCP is their best option. CCP should realize this and relax controls and still feel safe.

The only reason I can think of Chinese becoming dissatisfied the CCP is if CCP goes regressive on the economy.

Liberalization is good for increasing productivity, but control economy is good for bad economic times like right now, because government can forgo some efficiency in order to stimulate the economy. Hence why China is expected to grow at 3% and the US is not. But in the end you need a combination of both.
 

free_6ix9ine

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Regardless, in the next few years Chinese will see what the CCP is really about.

Does CCP care more about the overseas wealth of its members and are just using Chinese as mules. (Keeping dollars)

Or CCP cares about China and the future of the Chinese people. (Dumps dollars)

Guys have faith, I was once a non-believer in what we can achieve when covid hit, and western media was saying this was the end or China Bla Bla Bla. But now it looks like this might be end of the US empire. I think as much as the CCp has flaws they have demonstrated their competence in all of this.

I think the CCP is already dedollarizing or preparing to do it, because of threat of losing access to Swift, hence why DCEP is being rolled out.
 
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