Trump admin legacy: Poisoning future US China relationship


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BMEWS

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Welp, I paid for a 3 year NordVPN account two years ago never touched it, guess I'm gonna finally have to put it to good use when Trump also bans WeChat soon

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Gatekeeper

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Yeah I read some of my old etherpad (internal journaling) posts when COVID first hit and never in my wildest dreams did I think US would be the worst affected and that China wouldn't even end up in the top #20 lists.
Yes, it was even 6 months ago when China tops the chart for death rates and infection rates day in and day out. The western MSM were saying how rubbish China was, and how this is going to hurt China. Etc.

Then all of sudden, first Italy, then Spain surpass China, and within weeks China dropped out of the chart.

China managed to suppress the virus due to draconian measures, we all seen from our posts of lockdowns and building hospitals. Sending troups in on Y 20s (My personal fav) the lockdown measures by China was criticised for. Yet, a few months later, Italy and rest of Europe was on the same draconian measures. Lol.

During this time, USA was still debating to wear masks or not! And Trump even held a rally! Now he blames China for everything! Lol
 

SimaQian

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Biden will hire a bunch of ex-Obama foreign policy officials as part of his cabinet.

So I fully expect within 1-2 years, the Tariffs will be removed, Wang Mengzhou released, Consulates restored, ban on Huawei lifted, and discriminatory aggressive rhetorics will significant subside.

The most recent escalations is mostly driven by Jabba the Pomp and his minion Navarro (China-hawks) knowing his boss is unlikely to win re-election, so they wish to poison the relationship and provoke a China response.

Rest assured, most of these actions will be rescinded/changed upon a Biden administration. Biden will just be more smart like TPP-style containment of China, not the style of Trump's overt brashness. Biden will still treat China as a strategic competitor, but significant room for cooperation.
Dont bet into this. Even if Biden wins, it maybe just a temporary truce with China relationship. Plenty of Trump wannabes in both sides sides of the aisle, will always peddle this anti China rethoric as a very viable political agenda. Just look at Cotton, Rubio, even Pelosi.

There is no turning back into the old relationship. Plenty of damages are already done. We should prepare for the worst.
 

Phead128

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Yes, it was even 6 months ago when China tops the chart for death rates and infection rates day in and day out. The western MSM were saying how rubbish China was, and how this is going to hurt China. Etc.

Then all of sudden, first Italy, then Spain surpass China, and within weeks China dropped out of the chart.

China managed to suppress the virus due to draconian measures, we all seen from our posts of lockdowns and building hospitals. Sending troups in on Y 20s (My personal fav) the lockdown measures by China was criticised for. Yet, a few months later, Italy and rest of Europe was on the same draconian measures. Lol.

During this time, USA was still debating to wear masks or not! And Trump even held a rally! Now he blames China for everything! Lol
Oh yea. I remember articles from Westerners saying China's lockdown measures are 'draconian' and 'counter-productive' and 'makes things worse' and how 'CCP prestige and legitimacy' is undermined (regime change implications). Meanwhile, China had short-term pain, but is now fully re-opened. US has long-term pain with haphazard re-opening and closings and highest burden of disease.

Notice those anti-China articles on China's lockdowns are all quiet after Spain,Italy, USA adopted similar lockdowns? (that apparently "Democracies can't implement" but they did) So many excuses, so embarassing. This pandemic is a great equalizer and really exposes the real flaws in every country.
 

Phead128

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Dont bet into this. Even if Biden wins, it maybe just a temporary truce with China relationship. Plenty of Trump wannabes in both sides sides of the aisle, will always peddle this anti China rethoric as a very viable political agenda. Just look at Cotton, Rubio, even Pelosi.

There is no turning back into the old relationship. Plenty of damages are already done. We should prepare for the worst.
You named two Republicans (Cotton/Rubio) who will be powerless after the Senate becomes a Democrat majority (a very real possibility now given polling numbers). Pelosi's bark is worse than her bite.

What really dictates US-China relations is the Secretary of State and the State Department officials, not random Senators. So long as Jabba the Pomp and Navarro is replaced with ex-Obama foreign policy cabinet officials, we will see a remarkable decline in aggressive rhetoric.

China has learned it's lesson and will not have rosy-tinted lenses on US-China relationship for sure.
 

zgx09t

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However SWIFT complies with US decisions and disconnect the banks that are subject to US sanctions. From 2018 SWIFT comply with US sanctions on Iran even despite to EU objections.

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Even New York Times paddles in fake news, if you are not paying attention.

It is EU regulation 267/2012 that provide the basis for Belgium authorities to give green light to SWIFT, not because BunkerBoy demanded it on silver platter. There're shareholders' money and interest that you need to consider FFS.

Anything related to terrorism, money laundering, financial crimes, on top of the so-called illicit nuclear activities would have their own header message in transmission.

Besides size and degree of transaction traffics matter. Iran's banking size was puny. Just like meh, whatever.
PBoC is a big mofo that sits in the overseer group. Not a effing chance any of murican right wingnuts can pull that off, however hard they pulled.

Try sanctioning Hong Kong first. Oh wait, never mind.
 

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Oh yea. I remember articles from Westerners saying China's lockdown measures are 'draconian' and 'counter-productive' and 'makes things worse' and how 'CCP prestige and legitimacy' is undermined (regime change implications). Meanwhile, China had short-term pain, but is now fully re-opened. US has long-term pain with haphazard re-opening and closings and highest burden of disease.

Notice those anti-China articles on China's lockdowns are all quiet after Spain,Italy, USA adopted similar lockdowns? (that apparently "Democracies can't implement" but they did) So many excuses, so embarassing. This pandemic is a great equalizer and really exposes the real flaws in every country.
It is true what they say. Virus is colour blind. Whether you're poor or rich. It'll kill just the same. Except it tends to kill the old and weak people. Which is why in any decent society, any leader will have a duty to protect the weak and vulnerable. But somehow POTUS didn't get that memo and wanted to open USA early afraid of economic meltdown. In doing so, prolong the agony further.

Even though I wanted China to defeat Trump in this cold war II he started. I do feel sorry for the Americans, when at the times of their most in need of a unify leader to gel around to fight this pandemic, they couldn't have got a most divisive leader for the job. Hold on Americans, it's going to be a long ride.
 

Navigator

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Even New York Times paddles in fake news, if you are not paying attention.
It is EU regulation 267/2012 that provide the basis for Belgium authorities to give green light to SWIFT, not because BunkerBoy demanded it on silver platter. There're shareholders' money and interest that you need to consider FFS.
No, you are confusing two different cases of disconnecting Iranian banks from SWIFT. In 2012 there was EU sanctions, however they were lifted after JCPOA and in 2016 Iranian banks were reconnected to SWIFT.
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However in 2018 after US again imposition of unilateral sanctions against Iran, SWIFT submitted to American pressure, despite the absence of European sanctions this time and even of EU objections and article from The New York Times was about this second disconnection.
 

KYli

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SWIFT is just an extension of American financial power and dollar dominance. If America wanted, SWIFT would cut off Russia, China or even Japan from conducting any transactions. Without dollar, there is no SWIFT. That is why the US can weaponize the dollar through SWIFT. We have witnessed this from Iran to Russia to any companies that the US wants to sanction.

Therefore, we are seeing China CIPS, bilateral currency agreements, and digitized yuan. Hong Kong would also become a forefront of the fight if China is kicked out of SWIFT.
 
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