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Michael90

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We'll see what they actually do.
But US isn't the only one with a stick, a country that fears the stick fears all sticks and they'll just end up doing nothing.
Right now its not a question of Huawei making sales abroad, they don't need to or necessarily should. The question now is if Huawei does make an attempt, countries must now decide if they want to still buy NVidia and risk China seeing that as compliance with the US, which comes with it's own stick.
China isn't the one desperate to sell GPUs.
Much of the world already runs on Nvidia chips and eco-system including China(though the sanctions are impeding Nvidia from cornering this market completely) since Nvidia is still the world leader in AI chips including her ecosystem/software. Huawei is the new contender trying to break into the market not ndvidia who is already long established.. So Huawei is the one who has more to prove, by outlawing Huawei chips worldwide, the US is effectively closing up even the little chance Huawei had of expanding outside China. So it's a major disadvantage for China in this AI race. Since China can't develop in a vacuum isolated from the world. The world can't be running on US system while China is all on her own, else the company risk finding herself in a situation like Baidu with no competitive presence globally but just focus on local market. That will be considered a lost in my opinion.
 
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iewgnem

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Much of the world already runs on Nvidia chips and eco-system including China(though the sanctions are impeding Nvidia from cornering this market completely) since Nvidia is still the world leader in AI chips including her ecosystem/software. Huawei is the new contender trying to break into the market not ndvidia who is already long established.. So Huawei is the one who has more to prove, by outlawing Huawei chips worldwide, the US is effectively closing up even the little chance Huawei had of expanding outside China. So it's a major disadvantage for China in this AI race. Since China can't develop in a vacuum isolated from the world. The world can't be running on US system while China is all on her own, else the company risk finding herself in a situation like Baidu with no competitive presence globally but just focus on local market. That will be considered a lost in my opinion.
Don't think that will happen. China has a policy of non interference in country's internal affairs.
Except China already explicitly stated anyone who complies with US restrictions will face Chinese legal response, aka sanctions.
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You're assuming China only benefit from exporting Ascend when China actually benefit from just preventing or reducing US sales of Nvidia. As you said Nvidia is currently mainstream, so if US stuck to competing on ecosystem and performance they could have outsold Huawei without anyone raising an eyebrow.

But by turning this into a political problem, and with China threatening sanctions on countries who side with the US, now the choice to buy Nvidia becomes a political one, one that potentially carries consequences if Huawei entered Ascend into the bid. China has nothing to lose, while US has everything to lose, it doesn't matter to China if in the end someone doesn't buy neither, but it matters to the US if someone didn't buy theirs.

Domestically China hasn't completely replaced Nvidia yet so export is almost a moot point, from an access perspective it suites China just as well if someone uses Deepseek hosted in China. Exporting GPU is an American need, not Chinese, China's need is just to throw wrenches into American sales.

Strategically the side with a better product benifits from zero politics while the side without a better product benifits from politics. By injecting politics into a competition that US had an advantage on merit, they're actively helping China equaliz the playing field, which China with the announcement is obviously taking full advantage
 

horse

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I don't know.

Is this okay?


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:rolleyes::oops::D
 

horse

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It will affect other countries who want to buy AI chips or build their AI ecosystem from China. Just like Malaysia recently who after announcing that they will be buying and building their first AI eco-system using Huawei had to back off from the deal after been warned by the USA. The thing is that the US is still the world's superpower and they are not scared anymore to wield that power and influence. So smaller and medium countries are scared or worried to go against US laws for fear of sanctions which will affect them economically, so to avoid such issues and risks they will rather follow US laws to stay away from trouble. Afterall, its better to stay away from trouble and risks than try and go against a behemoth you can't beat just for bravado sake and with no major backer/ally behind you. Have to look at your country's overall national interests if it's worth it or not. So I don't blame this medium countries. I will do the same if I was them.

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My estimation is that Malaysia will not do that.

They are an Asian country. They will know what is best for them.

What China will do is continue business. Those who act against Chinese interest, China will not confront them directly. It will use a trick from the 36 Tricks and 借刀殺人.

We know that will happen.

So, harmony will prevail in RCEP.

:)
 

BlackWindMnt

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My estimation is that Malaysia will not do that.

They are an Asian country. They will know what is best for them.

What China will do is continue business. Those who act against Chinese interest, China will not confront them directly. It will use a trick from the 36 Tricks and 借刀殺人.

We know that will happen.

So, harmony will prevail in RCEP.

:)
Yeah it will all be kind of hush hush about having Huawei Ascend chips for the time being or i could see China build some border datacenters to supply compute to ASEAN countries.
 

enroger

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Much of the world already runs on Nvidia chips and eco-system including China(though the sanctions are impeding Nvidia from cornering this market completely) since Nvidia is still the world leader in AI chips including her ecosystem/software. Huawei is the new contender trying to break into the market not ndvidia who is already long established.. So Huawei is the one who has more to prove, by outlawing Huawei chips worldwide, the US is effectively closing up even the little chance Huawei had of expanding outside China. So it's a major disadvantage for China in this AI race. Since China can't develop in a vacuum isolated from the world. The world can't be running on US system while China is all on her own, else the company risk finding herself in a situation like Baidu with no competitive presence globally but just focus on local market. That will be considered a lost in my opinion.

If that is the path US decide on, then it changes China's incentive to maintain non-interference policy. Now China has a clear incentive to maximally disrupt and damage US global influence with any means possible. US influence is already on decline China will give it an extra push.

By the time Huawei AI chip has saturated China's internal market and start expand globally we'll see US's influence drop to such insignificance that no country is willing to follow US directive in detriment to their own interest
 
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