The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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Well that would be implying that the US had equivalent or better logistics half way around the globe than Russia does on its own border.

A big chunk of the US capabilities revolve exactly around logistics and I do find it amusing how you try to pass it off as if these conflicts are far away from US "territories" and logistical hubs

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I mean, the US had something as menial as McDonalds and Burger Kings in their FOB's in Afghanistan, so yeah, it is completely possible for them to have better logistics around the globe than the Russians at their border because their hegemony depends on it
 

Abominable

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This thinking is archaic.

It doesn't matter how far a country is from its theater of operations, what matters is the logistics of forces involved in the surroundings of that theater.
Actually it does become more difficult the further away the frontline.

The whole Russian logistics is bad is another piece of western propaganda. Russia has been maintaining operations all the way in Syria for years now with no mention of logistics being a problem. But apparently a small force 20 miles from their borders is a logistical nightmare. There is a popular video that concludes the reason Russia is failing is because they don't use wooden pallets...I mean wtf...

With the current mass mobilisation it could be possible that logistic starts being a problem. It'll be like the Ukrainian counter offensive, they were winning all along until they started winning for real.
 

Phead128

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I never understood pushing for referendums in provinces where you have not established full-spectrum control (i.e. Donestk and Zaporizhzhia provinces). Doesn't sound representative if only half the population on these two provinces get to vote?

Russia should have established full military control over these two provinces before starting a referendum, just like they did in Crimea in 2014 referendum.
 

Abominable

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I never understood pushing for referendums in provinces where you have not established full-spectrum control (i.e. Donestk and Zaporizhzhia provinces). Doesn't sound representative if only half the population on these two provinces get to vote? Russia should have established full military control over these two provinces before starting a referendum, just like they did in Crimea.
Most of the population centres in those provinces are under Russian control, but it's a valid point. Much of these territories aren't liberated, just like LPR and DPR after 2014.

I think this is a Russian attempt to try and end the war. Get the west and the Ukrainians to accept these territories as lost (even if temporarily) and sign a ceasefire. Then gas sales are resumed and Europe avoids economic collapse.
 

Temstar

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Most of the population centres in those provinces are under Russian control, but it's a valid point. Much of these territories aren't liberated, just like LPR and DPR after 2014.

I think this is a Russian attempt to try and end the war. Get the west and the Ukrainians to accept these territories as lost (even if temporarily) and sign a ceasefire. Then gas sales are resumed and Europe avoids economic collapse.
Won't be that easy. At the minimum Putin will have to wave the nuclear stick a lot harder for that to happen. I'm talking Cuban Missile Crisis level where afterwards people will be glad they're still alive and not rapidly expanding cloud of plasma. When that happens then Ukraine will seem insignificant in comparison.
 

sheogorath

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Russia should have established full military control over these two provinces before starting a referendum, just like they did in Crimea in 2014 referendum.

My impression on the rush and based on previous statements, all of this seems to be manouver around russian laws in order to avoid or reducing the legal requirements and limitations to declare war.

I do find it weird how they want to avoid "breaking" any law when it comes to this mess.
 
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Atomicfrog

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In what ways are they losing the war? Because they lost a couple of % of territory they held that were lightly defended? Because they lost a couple of "cities" I have never heard of before this war?

It seems to me we are in the middle of a long stalemate. It also seems to me that the Russians are trying to drag things to winter months to gather themselves a little bit before they can make their next move. The new conscripts will give them more operational flexibility in how many people they can bring to the front line.

The Ukrainians have made a massive push because they had to do it. It's unclear to most of us who many people they lost and how much ammos they have left now. Remember that in 1918, the Germans made 1 major last push into France and eventually grinded down and lost the war. When you throw a bunch of men and equipment in the battlefield, you are suppose to gain territories. The question is how much losses you are taking and what is your combat capability now? There are a lot of reports out about how much human losses Ukraine has suffered in the south in this campaign. Ukraine cannot keep this level of offensive up for long period of time. So, what happens after that?

It truly disappoints me to see the hyperventilation on this forum on something like this. There are areas that the Russians have horrendously under-performed even my already low expectations. But we are a long way away from getting close to a settlement.

The thing for sure, Russian forces never done a real full blown offensive. It look like they are taking their time, lobing artillery when being out of harm. So relaxed in their position caring about anything, they got themselves pantsdown when the Ukrainians changed tactics.

One of the factor of not maintaining the current line is maybe Russia don't want their troops in the no man lands without roof, energy and food supplies for winter. These razed villages in the middle of fields are not places to spent winter. No one will be there in two months, Ukraines troops will pull out of these hell holes too but with their moral way higher than two months ago.
 
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