The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased

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Look, Russian weapon systems typically take a year or two of trials even when everything mostly checks out before they enter final production. It can be a real issue having an unreliable weapon on the field. In the case of the T-14, I have heard of multiple problems, like engine lifetime, and getting the electronics right for mass manufacture.

Russia knew a conflict was highly likely, so they basically redirected the money flows into the T-72 upgrade program, hundreds of tanks were upgraded into T-72B3M, even more hundreds of BMP-3 were built. They had to do it because weapon programs like T-14 and Kurganets were not considered to be ready for mass manufacture. Besides even something like the T-14 can suffer from mechanical breakdowns. And then it would be a 5 million mechanical breakdown, not a 1 million one. As is, Russia is having an up to 1:10 loss ratio. As far as Russian standards go, the army was actually pretty much up to date in this war.
they could've still bought 100 Wing Loongs from China if they felt their own systems weren't ready and 100 Wing Loongs would've made a significant difference. If they had enough money then they didn't have the humility or urgency.
 

Sheleah

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The Russian source, Rybar, complains about the VKS not carrying out SEAD missions since the beginning of the war (at least not effective), talks about the vTioa shoot-downs today and the Su-34 hit by the Ukrainian defenses (which could confirm the Ukrainian announcement of 4 aircraft shot down in one day)

He talks about Russia's inability to suppress Ukrainian defenses, despite theoretically having systems to do so... Assumes American and Israeli systems are superior to their Russian counterparts

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It is a reality that Russia theoretically possesses systems to suppress the Ukrainian defense systems, but we must also consider that it is not the same situation today, the one Russia faced in March... Perhaps that is why they do not risk too much, since that when they do, they make a loss, like today

It was known that the Western systems were better than the Russian ones, but what this war has shown is that the gap is much wider than previously thought, especially in what Rybar says, the Russian EW and HARM systems, much lower than western
 

Janiz

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With Dmitry Bulgakov fired I guess the level of corruption and incompetence regarding logistics and supplies can't be ignored any longer. But the options to improve the situation are quite limited.
3rd day into mobilization. Just Russian things. Considering that he was working in the field for almost 15 years at the top positions speaks for itself.
 

baykalov

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The Russian source, Rybar, complains about the VKS not carrying out SEAD missions since the beginning of the war (at least not effective), talks about the vTioa shoot-downs today and the Su-34 hit by the Ukrainian defenses (which could confirm the Ukrainian announcement of 4 aircraft shot down in one day).

The Russian source Rybar does not confirm four downed aircraft in one day.

Here's what Rybar wrote, automatic translation:

Ukrainian air defense is still alive: why is this and what will happen next?

In the afternoon, Ukrainian resources published a video with a Russian Su-34 bomber going on one engine: the authors claimed that the Ukrainian Air Force managed to shoot down two Russian planes in one day.

Regardless of the truthfulness of the claims, the situation raises one extremely unpleasant question. Back during the AFU offensive in Kharkiv, we were often asked in feedback: why did the AFU only work on targets on the front lines from extremely low altitudes, rather than bombing columns deep inside?

The reason is the Ukrainian air defense system, which is not suppressed. The command takes care of the planes and does not send them to bomb the enemy's rear, and the crews have to "huddle" on the ground to avoid detection.

And do you know what the saddest thing is? Back in the beginning, the RF Armed Forces were comprehensively engaged in destroying the Ukrainian air defense system, but for some unknown reason they stopped this work completely.

The attack on Kiev and the fight against enemy air defenses

In February and March, the Air Force was faced with the task of countering a powerful echeloned anti-aircraft defense around the Ukrainian capital. For this purpose there were permanently in the air long-range radar aircraft A-50U, jammers IL-22PP and fighters Su-35S with "anti-radar" missiles Kh-31P.

Some sort of inter-service cooperation was established: artillery and even Iskander SAMs were brought in to destroy the detected SAMs, which successfully hit the AFU S-300 complexes even in Kyiv's built-up areas.

Yes, it was not without losses. Only one bomber regiment with Su-34s in March flew as far as Western Ukraine, destroying concentrations of manpower, command posts and bridges deep in the rear in the Zhytomyr region. And for some reason not a single Stinger or the British Starstrikes, which were favored by TV "talking heads," interfered with it.

With the withdrawal of troops from Kiev the successful experience of purposeful suppression of air defense and its improvement was simply forgotten. Why? Alas, we have no logical answer.

Where will further connivance in the issue of suppression of Ukrainian air defenses lead to?

Let us repeat once again: the Russian Armed Forces have the technical and organizational capabilities to perform this task. There are AWACS aircraft, REB aircraft, modern bombers, anti-radar missiles. To the surprise of many, there are even gliding air bombs, which have already been used many times in the area of air defense.

Yes, all of this is inferior to American or Israeli counterparts. But the "Kiev experience" clearly demonstrates that everything is fundamentally solvable. Everything rests only in the unwillingness of the command to engage in purposeful suppression of the enemy's air defense.

And if this continues, not only will the Air Force be working at half strength of its real capabilities, but it will also be losing expensive modern aircraft. The stock of which is extremely limited by production capabilities.

It is time to finally remember the spring experience, make decisions at the control level of the entire air defense system and launch a separate operation to destroy the remaining Ukrainian SAMs. It should include planning, interspecific cooperation and allocation of forces and means.

Especially since very interesting items have recently arrived from Iran, which, with an adequate approach, will make the task much easier. This opportunity should not be missed!
 

pmc

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He talks about Russia's inability to suppress Ukrainian defenses, despite theoretically having systems to do so... Assumes American and Israeli systems are superior to their Russian counterparts
how you do SEAD against manpads from medium to high altitude?.
unless you have medium altitude shoot down videos. the rest may have been mechanical breakdown or pilot errors.
 

Zichan

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More images of another flanker shot down... Definitely the VKS has had one of its worst days

This Russian invasion has shown how much we overvalue the VKS. No significant achievements in 7 months and many aircraft losses.

I am surprised that a Flanker would be flying this low. Still, it’s a remarkable achievement to take it out with a MANPADs given the very short reaction time and perfect positioning needed to do that. Assuming that’s what actually happened.

What’s up with Russian SEAD? They’re not able to suppress even their own SAM system designs?
 

baykalov

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3rd day into mobilization. Just Russian things. Considering that he was working in the field for almost 15 years at the top positions speaks for itself.

With Dmitry Bulgakov fired I guess the level of corruption and incompetence regarding logistics and supplies can't be ignored any longer. But the options to improve the situation are quite limited.

Zelensky fired a hundred times more people in leadership positions since the beginning of the special military operation.
 

Zichan

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how you do SEAD against manpads from medium to high altitude?.
unless you have medium altitude shoot down videos. the rest may have been mechanical breakdown or pilot errors.
If they had proper SEAD there would be no need for a Flanker to fly low enough to be engaged with manpads. Even the Soviet WW2 air force would have been more effective on the battlefield than the Russian Air Force.
 

Abominable

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According to an article in Military Watch Magazine, Western countries are almost out of T-72 tanks, so they have to transfer T-55 based combat vehicles to Ukraine.

Before the war Ukraine had the most tanks in Europe, during the war hundreds more tanks were transferred, but Ukraine still has a shortage of tanks. Add to that the supposedly many captured Russian tanks, why does the Ukrainian army have this constant shortage of tanks!?

Is NATO Running Out of T-72s to Donate to Ukraine? It Is Now Sending T-54/55s From Slovenia



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Western tanks will need to make their debut no matter how much the Americans are trying to delay it.

There are a lot of Soviet tanks out there but the numbers aren't infinite. Most countries will sell mothball tanks only and not ones in current service. Even if America offers to replace them for free with western ones it's a bad deal as the operational & maintenance costs will be higher.
 

colorwolf99

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I am surprised that a Flanker would be flying this low. Still, it’s a remarkable achievement to take it out with a MANPADs given the very short reaction time and perfect positioning needed to do that. Assuming that’s what actually happened.

What’s up with Russian SEAD? They’re not able to suppress even their own SAM system designs?

That's been one of my major frustrations with the Russians since the start of the war. Their apparent inability and/or unwillingness to conduct a proper SEAD campaign; despite having the appropriate assets to do it on paper.

The only plausible explanations I've seen are:

1. SEAD is not and has never really apart of Russian/USSR military doctrine, which priorities its airforce primarily for close tactical air support of ground forces. Therefore the Russian airforce does not plan for SEAD campaigns and its pilots have minimal training for such operations.
2. Inadequete C4ISR systems and capabilities to locate and target enemy air defences, except for the immobile targets they were destroyed at the beggining of the war like fixed radars and non-mobile SAMs.
 
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