The War in the Ukraine


Abominable

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Mohajer-6 is a slightly smaller version of the TB-2, Shahad-129 is much bigger.

It's unclear whether a single use suicide drone is better than a reusable one. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but ultimately it'll depend on how effective Ukrainian air defence is.

Whatever one they go for it's important they get them in large numbers so they can swarm Ukrainian defences. I'd also mix in those decoy drones they were using at the start of the war.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Major
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Mohajer-6 is a slightly smaller version of the TB-2, Shahad-129 is much bigger.

It's unclear whether a single use suicide drone is better than a reusable one. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but ultimately it'll depend on how effective Ukrainian air defence is.

Whatever one they go for it's important they get them in large numbers so they can swarm Ukrainian defences. I'd also mix in those decoy drones they were using at the start of the war.
Well a kamikaze drone is basically a propeller cruise missile. You can use the crappiest, worst engines for it, cheapest materials, etc, load it up with explosives because it only needs ferry range, not combat radius, and launch it from the back of a truck. A proper UCAV is an aircraft that has to take off from an airfield.

I'm just surprised at how effective a propeller cruise missile is compared to real cruise missiles.
 

TongHua

Junior Member
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Mohajer-6 is a slightly smaller version of the TB-2, Shahad-129 is much bigger.

It's unclear whether a single use suicide drone is better than a reusable one. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but ultimately it'll depend on how effective Ukrainian air defence is.

Whatever one they go for it's important they get them in large numbers so they can swarm Ukrainian defences. I'd also mix in those decoy drones they were using at the start of the war.

Mohajer-6 can carry missiles but these are quite small and is probably better used for lazing targets and let Krasnopol do the damage.
 

plawolf

Brigadier
Right now is probably the peak of cheap drone capabilities because most professional militaries have not really put serious effort into countering them. So this is pretty much their coming out party akin to when ATGMs and AShM armed FACs first made their combat debuts.

But just as with those previous wonderweapons, once sufficient effort and resources are put to countering them, their effectiveness plummets.

Hell, China is already selling everything a modern military needs to counter drones from jammers to lasers to gun based solutions. All anyone really needs to do is actually buy them in operationally relevant numbers.

But even with adequate defences, Drones will still remain relevant and deadly, just as ATGMs are still used today, but they just won’t be as disproportionately effective as they are now.

As such, over investing in cheap low end drones is a pretty unsustainable long term strategy.
 

Corona

Junior Member
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Drone footage from Kherson. An AFU column of 8 vehicles gets destroyed by Russian forces :

Extended and clean footage from the other side of the newly acquired soda water bottle; Shahed 136 drone (Geran 2) in Odessa and the aftermath. Target is reported to be Odessa port, other day a tug boat was also attacked. An other UAV, Mohajer 6 was also used for observation before the arrival of Geran 2's.
 

Dragon of War

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Drones are such an interesting development to modern warfare, why use numbers of men when you can soften your target with barrages of these.
 

SlothmanAllen

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Right now is probably the peak of cheap drone capabilities because most professional militaries have not really put serious effort into countering them. So this is pretty much their coming out party akin to when ATGMs and AShM armed FACs first made their combat debuts.

But just as with those previous wonderweapons, once sufficient effort and resources are put to countering them, their effectiveness plummets.
Agreed! cheap UAVs are in their golden age right now.

You can also see the US investing in it as well with Microwave, Laser, Counter-UAS UAS and whatever else exists. I fully expect that China and US will have this problem licked within this decade, and only highly sophisticated drones would be viable against their forces.
 

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