The War in the Ukraine

pmc

Major
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This whole war is really showcasing Russian military not being as good as advertised, they really should've spent some of that frozen reserves pre-war buying more modern equipment for it's armed forces instead of keeping it in the west only to get frozen.

A Russian armed forces that was even $50 billion more well equipped would not have such trouble in this war. Imagine instead of sending in upgraded t-72s the initial spear head were all t-14s, instead of 150 odd ka-52 and some mi-8s as CAS there are hundreds more. Instead of saturation bombardment every artillery shot is satellite guided. Suicide drone swarms to hunt western arm supplies in the rear instead of buying from Iran 6 months after the war beginning.

the loss of valuable crews and manpower due to old equipment used in this war cannot be understated.
Ka-52 and Su-25 got rid of majority of Ukrainian troops and vehicles and this with 20 year old technology. only later they added new missiles. you cannot see even 2 TB2 and or 2 Ukranian fighters in air simultaneously now. such is the level of air superiority on largest battlefield. now based on those result they will choose more effective systems. there is nothing like battlefield experience. you need to pay attention to the quiet part not the loud drones which has other reasons not related to technology.

 

Atomicfrog

Major
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It is pretty good camo for an ambush. Will suck for them if the people getting ambushed have thermals, though.
Or after the first shot Russian fire 50 round of artillery in the sector transforming everything in shrapnel porcupine... Camo is nice tho. Would be interesting to see an anti-shrapnel blanket of some sort on the back of foot soldiers. Would be lifesavers out there. Like these:

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gelgoog

Brigadier
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not even $50 billion, just ~$10 billion additional investment would've got them:
500 T-14s ($2.5 billion, 500x5 million)
150 Su-57s ($6 billion, 150x40 million)
100 Wing Loong 2 ($1.5 billion, 100x15 million)
Just the Su-57s alone would've splashed the entire Ukrainian air force including their TB-2s on day 1, not to mention the snowball effects of having T-14s and Wing Loong 2s. Just the T-14s and Wing Loongs would've obliterated the bunkers in Donbass.
You seem to think the only problem is money. But the T-14 has not finished development yet. And the Su-57, remember the first production unit crashed, and they replaced the hydraulics in the tail with electromechanical actuators because of that. You cannot just solve technical issues with money. Things do not work like that.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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You seem to think the only problem is money. But the T-14 has not finished development yet. And the Su-57, remember the first production unit crashed, and they replaced the hydraulics in the tail with electromechanical actuators because of that. You cannot just solve technical issues with money. Things do not work like that.
If Russia had more money they could've solved these issues sooner or allocated money to other equipment that actually did work.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
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Look, Russian weapon systems typically take a year or two of trials even when everything mostly checks out before they enter final production. It can be a real issue having an unreliable weapon on the field. In the case of the T-14, I have heard of multiple problems, like engine lifetime, and getting the electronics right for mass manufacture.

Russia knew a conflict was highly likely, so they basically redirected the money flows into the T-72 upgrade program, hundreds of tanks were upgraded into T-72B3M, even more hundreds of BMP-3 were built. They had to do it because weapon programs like T-14 and Kurganets were not considered to be ready for mass manufacture. Besides even something like the T-14 can suffer from mechanical breakdowns. And then it would be a 5 million mechanical breakdown, not a 1 million one. As is, Russia is having an up to 1:10 loss ratio. As far as Russian standards go, the army was actually pretty much up to date in this war.
 
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