The War in the Ukraine

pmc

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It is strange that he says it, since Western and Israeli systems have carried out attacks in countries such as Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Iran or Syria.
these are basically flat lands without the real time support. .
one of attack against fix target is much easier than trying to find mobile SAMs especially in forests.
how many Cruise missile intercept videos Ukraine has published?. it will show the efficiency of SAM network. how reliable are the systems in multi-shot engagement.
 

anzha

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So immediately supposedly reported:

Supposedly, Rybar is claiming the Ukrainians had another breakthrough across the Oskil at Lozove. Can we get someone on telegram to verify?

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Predictions time!

tldr; Ukraine is going to keep having successes until the new troops show up. I would expect Lugansk is next while pinning a lot of Russian troops in Kherson. In Lugansk, I would expect the Ukrainians to rip up the railways as they work their way through, at least near the Russian border. How well the Russians do after the troops show up depends on a few things.

If Russia is going to do the deployment of their mobilization properly, the troops are going to take two to three months to arrive in theater. The reservists being called up are going to need time to drill properly and become cohesive units. That means November at the earliest. November in the Donbas is chilly (6 C day time average and 1 C at night), but relatively dry and snow free. Winter clothing is going to be needed pretty quick. If the reports of the lack of night vision equipment are accurate, fighting in winter will be even more problematic: sunrise is 657 on December 1st and sunset is 1538. The cold weather uniforms and night vision equipment are going to be really needed.

The logistics strain we have seen so far is going to be compounded unless a lot of those reservists are going to be made into lorry/truck drivers. The lack of palletization is going to be major problem still unless the Russian armed forces have fixed that recently. I have not heard the Russian army has done so, but I am willing to listen to correction.

If the troops are properly equipped and trained, I expect the Russians to launch offensives across the border into Kharkov, Lugansk and anywhere else they will have been pushed across the border at. There might even be another yolo to Kiev again. That said, I would then expect the Russian advances to peter out again sometime around the end of February. The Raputitsa will return around then.

The Ukrainians will then attempt chewing up the Russian forces like they did during this year's Raputitsa. If the Russians will have learned from this year's events, the Ukrainians will be less effective at it. Once Genera Mud leaves the field, the Russians could restart offensive actions and reach the Dniepr.

However...

If the Russians do not properly equip their troops and merely throw them into the fight as fast as possible, the Russian mobilization will be a debacle. Give me properly trained troops, not more bodies (or so I would say if I were the Russian commanders). Specifically, I would be asking for more truck drivers and infantry. The former are relatively easy to train, but the latter takes time if they are going to be effective. If the logistics are not fixed, then the increased pressure will be bad. Really bad. That increased pressure could make the whole situation even worse for the Russians rather than better.

If the Russians rush the reservists forward, we will see massive casualties and little, if any, benefit. Ukrainians offensives might slow down, but won't be stopped. There may be mass surrenders rather than retreats. As the Raputitsa takes hold, the poor logistics and poorly trained will get chewed on badly. I would expect the Ukrainians to attempt another round of aggressive advances next summer: they will more of their troops trained in the West in the mean time. If we are going to see western MBTs in Ukrainian hands, it will be in April or May next year.

Those are my predictions: I see a fork here. Either the Russians will sort their issues out and properly deploy the reservists, making gains again, or there are going to be a lot of dead Russian men for little benefit and headed to a probable defeat.

I want to call out people saying the Russians have lost less than 8k dead. There would be no reason to mobilize if the Russians had lost that little, as 32k casualties out of the original 190k troops is a paltry percentage: 16% +/-. The deaths would have been 4%. I've kept my own tracker going and based on destroyed equipment, I get a minimum of 13k dead and based on the equipment losses the Russians are rapidly closing in on IFV/APC and tank losses for 80 BTG...of the original 130. Note: my count does not include infantry very well and, historically, infantry have taken it on the nose the most and losses will be higher.

Quick and easy predictive test: if the Ukrainians shred another oblast - looking at you, Lugansk - like done in Kharkov, the Russian army in Ukraine has been hollowed out definitively.

I have been wrong before and will be again. Let's see how wrong I am.
 

Soldier30

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Ukrainian media published footage of a Russian UAV Mohajer-6 manufactured by Iran that fell into the sea near Odessa. The reason for the fall of the UAV is unknown, visually it is intact, there may be a loss of communication with the command post. After the discovery of the drone, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry withdrew the accreditation of the Iranian ambassador to Ukraine. The Mohajer-6 UAV has been produced in Iran since 2017 and is designed for reconnaissance, surveillance and fire destruction. Mohajer-6 was used in combat operations in Iraq, Syria and Ethiopia, where it performed well. The drone can use third-generation Almas anti-tank missiles, which are used on a fire-and-forget basis, this is an analogue of Israeli Spike missiles. The range of the drone is 200 km, the time spent in the air is 12 hours, the flight altitude is up to 5500 meters. The drone is quite large and has a wingspan of 10 meters, a flight speed of about 200 km/h. Takeoff weight - 670 kg, payload - 100 kg.


A group of Russian drones "Geran-2", as you know, it is an Iranian kamikaze drone "Shahed-136" attacked the Ukrainian city of Odessa. Judging by the video, the air defense of Ukraine did not notice them, since only shots from small arms were heard throughout Odessa. It is known that the Geran-2 UAV attack was large-scale, one of the UAVs was shot down from small arms. Several drones reached the target and struck in the area of the port of Odessa.


One of the soldiers of the Ukrainian army spoke about his impressions of the battles with PMC Wagner in Ukraine. Where there are battles with PMC Wagner, it is very problematic to conduct offensives of the Ukrainian army.


Video of the results of the battle of the Ukrainian army near the village of Pravdino, Kherson region. During the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian army in this direction, a battle ensued with units of the Russian Airborne Forces. As a result of the battle, the Ukrainian army reportedly lost 7 tanks and 13 armored vehicles.


The Ukrainian army is actively creating mobile military groups, how correctly these are civilian vehicles with handicraft-mounted weapons. The weapons installed in the vehicles are very diverse, from small arms and grenade launchers to improvised MLRS.

 

lolrus

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So immediately supposedly reported:

Supposedly, Rybar is claiming the Ukrainians had another breakthrough across the Oskil at Lozove. Can we get someone on telegram to verify?

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Predictions time!

tldr; Ukraine is going to keep having successes until the new troops show up. I would expect Lugansk is next while pinning a lot of Russian troops in Kherson. In Lugansk, I would expect the Ukrainians to rip up the railways as they work their way through, at least near the Russian border. How well the Russians do after the troops show up depends on a few things.

If Russia is going to do the deployment of their mobilization properly, the troops are going to take two to three months to arrive in theater. The reservists being called up are going to need time to drill properly and become cohesive units. That means November at the earliest. November in the Donbas is chilly (6 C day time average and 1 C at night), but relatively dry and snow free. Winter clothing is going to be needed pretty quick. If the reports of the lack of night vision equipment are accurate, fighting in winter will be even more problematic: sunrise is 657 on December 1st and sunset is 1538. The cold weather uniforms and night vision equipment are going to be really needed.

The logistics strain we have seen so far is going to be compounded unless a lot of those reservists are going to be made into lorry/truck drivers. The lack of palletization is going to be major problem still unless the Russian armed forces have fixed that recently. I have not heard the Russian army has done so, but I am willing to listen to correction.

If the troops are properly equipped and trained, I expect the Russians to launch offensives across the border into Kharkov, Lugansk and anywhere else they will have been pushed across the border at. There might even be another yolo to Kiev again. That said, I would then expect the Russian advances to peter out again sometime around the end of February. The Raputitsa will return around then.

The Ukrainians will then attempt chewing up the Russian forces like they did during this year's Raputitsa. If the Russians will have learned from this year's events, the Ukrainians will be less effective at it. Once Genera Mud leaves the field, the Russians could restart offensive actions and reach the Dniepr.

However...

If the Russians do not properly equip their troops and merely throw them into the fight as fast as possible, the Russian mobilization will be a debacle. Give me properly trained troops, not more bodies (or so I would say if I were the Russian commanders). Specifically, I would be asking for more truck drivers and infantry. The former are relatively easy to train, but the latter takes time if they are going to be effective. If the logistics are not fixed, then the increased pressure will be bad. Really bad. That increased pressure could make the whole situation even worse for the Russians rather than better.

If the Russians rush the reservists forward, we will see massive casualties and little, if any, benefit. Ukrainians offensives might slow down, but won't be stopped. There may be mass surrenders rather than retreats. As the Raputitsa takes hold, the poor logistics and poorly trained will get chewed on badly. I would expect the Ukrainians to attempt another round of aggressive advances next summer: they will more of their troops trained in the West in the mean time. If we are going to see western MBTs in Ukrainian hands, it will be in April or May next year.

Those are my predictions: I see a fork here. Either the Russians will sort their issues out and properly deploy the reservists, making gains again, or there are going to be a lot of dead Russian men for little benefit and headed to a probable defeat.

I want to call out people saying the Russians have lost less than 8k dead. There would be no reason to mobilize if the Russians had lost that little, as 32k casualties out of the original 190k troops is a paltry percentage: 16% +/-. The deaths would have been 4%. I've kept my own tracker going and based on destroyed equipment, I get a minimum of 13k dead and based on the equipment losses the Russians are rapidly closing in on IFV/APC and tank losses for 80 BTG...of the original 130. Note: my count does not include infantry very well and, historically, infantry have taken it on the nose the most and losses will be higher.

Quick and easy predictive test: if the Ukrainians shred another oblast - looking at you, Lugansk - like done in Kharkov, the Russian army in Ukraine has been hollowed out definitively.

I have been wrong before and will be again. Let's see how wrong I am.
I don't get your reasoning that if Russia only lost 8k troops they wouldn't have mobilize. If you're being spread thin and the opponent have overwhelming numerical superiority you would still want more manpower to boost your frontline and balance the number even if your not suffering high casualties. Russia seems to prefer minimizing casualties over territories hence they would retreat when there's a risk of encirclement or when the situation becomes unfavorable as seem in Kharkov region where they retreated all their troop before Ukraine were able to engage them. Ukraine on the other hand seems to prefer territories as seem with their many last stands holding onto cities and areas like Mariupol and Pisky.
 

baykalov

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According to the ASB Military News Telegram channel Russia is testing a Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft over Ukraine:

Russian Aerospace Forces have deployed their new highly advanced ISR aircraft.

The Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft, designed to conduct electronic and radar reconnaissance at distances of up to 400-500KM was deployed on September 22nd, one such aircraft with the callsign RF-64514 conducted several test flights over the western part of Russia, taking off from Kazan airport.

The capabilities of this aircraft are unknown, it is new and only entered service a few years ago. This aircraft made Americans particularly paranoid when Russia deployed them to Syria in 2016, American mainstream media reported that the aircraft was deployed to spy on F22 and collect their radar signatures & transmitted them to Russian Air Defence Systems.

According to western media and their military intelligence sources, the Russian aircraft capabilities are as follows

Business Insider report:

“Equipped with sensors to perform ELINT (Electronic Intelligence) and SIGINT (Signal Intelligence) missions as well as with all-weather radar systems and electro-optical sensors that produce photo-like imagery of a large parts of the ground the special mission aircraft, the aircraft can fly multiple intelligence gathering missions: it can intercept and analyse signals emitted by targeted systems (radars, aircraft, radios, combat vehicles, mobile phones etc) while collecting imagery that can be used to identify and pinpoint the enemy forces, even if these are camouflaged or hidden.”

This signals that Russia is preparing large scale strikes on Ukrainian targets, as well as to employ its aviation on a larger scale — amid the announced escalation with Russia’s partial-mobilization.

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Zichan

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I want to call out people saying the Russians have lost less than 8k dead. There would be no reason to mobilize if the Russians had lost that little, as 32k casualties out of the original 190k troops is a paltry percentage: 16% +/-. The deaths would have been 4%. I've kept my own tracker going and based on destroyed equipment, I get a minimum of 13k dead and based on the equipment losses the Russians are rapidly closing in on IFV/APC and tank losses for 80 BTG...of the original 130. Note: my count does not include infantry very well and, historically, infantry have taken it on the nose the most and losses will be higher.
While I do believe that the Russians have suffered significantly more than 8k dead, that's not the only reason for partial mobilisation. Russia entered the war with a grossly undermanned invasion force. They were initially up against a 200,000 - 250,000 strong Ukrainian army. Fast forward 6 months, the Ukrainian army now has at least 700,000 men in uniform. The entire Russian armed forces had 1 million active personnel before the war started, of which the ground forces were a mere 300,000.

If that report from Rybar is accurate, the Ukrainians are again very close to cutting Russian supply lines and forcing them to retreat from Lyman. Despite the recent rains and muddy terrain in that area, the Ukrainians are still making surprising progress even while relying on roadways.
 
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Zichan

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A good concise report from CSIS on the recent Ukrainian advances:
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I found the maps with detailed force composition structure quite interesting. They have a similar map for the whole of Ukraine. Once again, they report that Ukraine has taken significant losses in the Kherson offensive.
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In conclusion they write:
Russian losses have allowed Ukraine, the United States, and other Western countries to seize and analyze Russian military equipment. Some of this equipment—particularly artillery—has been high quality, including 300-millimeter (mm) Smerch multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), 220 mm TOS-1 MLRS, and 152 mm Akatsiya self-propelled howitzers. The Russian military also possesses significant electronic warfare capabilities. The analysis of Russian battlefield equipment reinforces the conclusion that Moscow’s main problem is not one of capabilities, but of people—low morale, poor execution of combined arms, subpar training, and corruption.
 

Weaasel

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While I do believe that the Russians have suffered significantly more than 8k dead, that's not the only reason for partial mobilisation. Russia entered the war with a grossly undermanned invasion force. They were initially up against a 200,000 - 250,000 strong Ukrainian army. Fast forward 6 months, the Ukrainian army now has at least 700,000 men in uniform. The entire Russian armed forces had 1 million active personnel before the war started, of which the ground forces were a mere 300,000.

If that report from Rybar is accurate, the Ukrainians are again very close to cutting Russian supply lines and forcing them to retreat from Lyman. Despite the recent rains and muddy terrain in that area, the Ukrainians are still making surprising progress even while relying on roadways.
The number of personnel has increased, but has there been a proportional capability to adequately equip those personnel on the part of Ukraine, even including supplies by allies?

Do the Ukrainians have sufficient resources in both manpower and materiel to sustain an offensive in Kharkov and northern Donetsk much beyond the territory they presently have under their control? They also have to factor in the reality that Russia does possess the means to bring in additional reinforcements in substantial numbers to Kharkov and Donbass not inclusive of their mobilized reserves.

Hindsight is 20/20 and in hindsight it was extremely irresponsible of the Russians to have drawn down their numbers so greatly in Kharkov when the Ukrainians were/are not defeated.
 

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"The US warehouses are empty. The Russian defense industry works 24/7, and they know how to produce equipment" — General of the SSO (Spec Forces) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The deputy commander and creator of the SSO of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Krivonos, on the air on the YouTube channel "Politeka", spoke about the deplorable prospects of Ukraine on the example of a decrease in arms supplies from the West and the growing production rates in Russia.

“They are not only deconserving equipment, but they have just launched production, their Russian defense industry is in 24/7 mode, and they know how to produce equipment. They have production, and they did not sell it, as we use to".

"Let's stop believing in fairy tales and think that somewhere the Americans have something hidden in their vaults. What the Americans had was designed to fulfill the tasks for their armed forces and what they give is not so much," Krivonos commented on the supply of Western weapons.
 
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