The War in the Ukraine

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panzerfeist1

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The Observer said:
For anyone suggesting Russia is playing a smart game and all the withdrawals were "successful", how on earth did they become the largest heavy equipment supplier of the UKR army? Like, it's ridiculous how much intact equipment the RU army left behind for UKR to recover and use themselves.

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ukrainians capturing russian equipment is as nothing new as russians capturing ukrainian equipment like the chechens posting videos of themselves with Javelins. Ukraine had 8 years of training backed with foreign mercernaries, before the war started Ukraine was placed as like 22nd strongest army in the world and as of now who knows how high they are up there after getting supplied by the west and the west going lower in ranking since it was their equipment they supplied.

Any twitter video or images now is just russians soldiers laying a whooping in which the reservists havent even come.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1573689400801771524

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1573660120663425025

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1573683075778740226
 
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The Observer said:
For anyone suggesting Russia is playing a smart game and all the withdrawals were "successful", how on earth did they become the largest heavy equipment supplier of the UKR army? Like, it's ridiculous how much intact equipment the RU army left behind for UKR to recover and use themselves.

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Yeah, I won’t call something ‘intact’ just because it’s not a smoking ruin. The Russians didn’t just all decide to go hiking and leave perfectly good equipment for the Ukrainians to wonder up can claim.

Most of the captured Russian equipment would need some sort of repairs to bring back to functionality and/or replacement munitions. Whether Ukraine can effect those repairs and rearmed them are a massive question mark, and I would suggest not in most cases or they wouldn’t need to be begging for more and more obsolete NATO hand-me-downs if everyone shown as being captured could be put back into use.
 
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sheogorath

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The Observer said:
For anyone suggesting Russia is playing a smart game and all the withdrawals were "successful", how on earth did they become the largest heavy equipment supplier of the UKR army? Like, it's ridiculous how much intact equipment the RU army left behind for UKR to recover and use themselves.

Like, see the video below.


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You mean, the video of a depot in Crimea they tried to pass of being captured equipment in Kharkov?

For all the claims about the Ukranians capturing massive amounts of equipment, the Ukranians have been seen using so little of it and they keep begging for more, to the point the US having to consider sending them M1's

So, either the claims are fake/exagerated or most of the equipment wasn't functional to begin with and the Ukranians have little in the way of spare parts and mechanics to get them operational.

A lot of the tanks en vehicles spotted in Kherson were more T-64's,, T-72M, BTR-3 and MRAPs.
 
Dragon of War

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sheogorath said:
You mean, the video of a depot in Crimea they tried to pass of being captured equipment in Kharkov?

For all the claims about the Ukranians capturing massive amounts of equipment, the Ukranians have been seen using so little of it and they keep begging for more, to the point the US having to consider sending them M1's

So, either the claims are fake/exagerated or most of the equipment wasn't functional to begin with and the Ukranians have little in the way of spare parts and mechanics to get them operational.

A lot of the tanks en vehicles spotted in Kherson were more T-64's,, T-72M, BTR-3 and MRAPs.
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Another theory is they could be saving them for another large offensive, tanks are valuable to the Ukraine side, Russia have a means of producing them domestically. Ukraine doesn't have this luxury so must fight more reservedly, sparing what little of the goods they can and saving them for major offensives to push the Russians back. We've seen them tow plenty of Russian armor with tractors and surrounding discarded equipment from fleeing Russian soldiers.
 
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tankphobia said:
I don't see that drones will ever be out of the equation for the foreseeable future. They are cheap, effective and highly disposable, if there really was a way to counter them effectively the US would've cooked up something by now, since they have been using predators and reapers for decades at this point.

Like ATGMs, UAVs are here to stay and militaries will just need to deal with the fact that no matter how good their AA umbrella is some $500 LO drones are going to get through and blow up a tank or two every once in a while.

Thing is we have not even seen the full potential of them yet, once we get functional AI controlled swarms they would become a terrifying force on the battlefield. Unjammable auto targetting swarms that can leave a single UAV up high to designate targets while the rest perform treetop level flying to avoid ground fire.
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Not treetop level..
 
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panzerfeist1 said:
They went off with this operation with 200k forces, withdrew and left 80k, call in 300k reservists, putin passed a bill for 150k more active duty troops to add to the current 1 million number

Zelensky literally asked the U.S. yesterday or two days ago that they can make Ukraine a testing center for their long range strategic weapons which sounds like even Zelensky doesnt have a winner's mind set that he will win this war.

I am just warning people here before hand that truely believe Ukraine will win to not have their hopes up set too high.
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This whole war is really showcasing Russian military not being as good as advertised, they really should've spent some of that frozen reserves pre-war buying more modern equipment for it's armed forces instead of keeping it in the west only to get frozen.

A Russian armed forces that was even $50 billion more well equipped would not have such trouble in this war. Imagine instead of sending in upgraded t-72s the initial spear head were all t-14s, instead of 150 odd ka-52 and some mi-8s as CAS there are hundreds more. Instead of saturation bombardment every artillery shot is satellite guided. Suicide drone swarms to hunt western arm supplies in the rear instead of buying from Iran 6 months after the war beginning.

the loss of valuable crews and manpower due to old equipment used in this war cannot be understated.
 
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texx1

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According to TASS, Russia just replaced its deputy defense minister for logistics. This gives much credibility to often reported claims of Russian army's supply problems in Ukraine.

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MOSCOW, September 24. /TASS/. Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev, chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center, was appointed as deputy defense minister for logistics, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Saturday.

" Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev was appointed as deputy defense minister for logistics. Colonel General M. Mizintsev previously held the post of chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center," the ministry said in a statement.

Army General Dmitry Bulgakov, who held this position before, has been relieved of it due to his transfer to another job.

Mikhail Mizintsev was born in 1962. In 1980, he graduated from the Kalinin Suvorov Military School. He was appointed chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center in December 2014.


Dmitry Bulgakov was born in 1954. He was appointed deputy minister of defense for logistics in 2010.
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