The War in the Ukraine

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B777LR

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sheogorath said:
Well, it is bound to happen when one is a near-peer conflict, while the other was just colonial policing, yet the US couldn't even win, despite multiple shock-n-awe campains followed with hearts-n-minds.

If anything, your argument makes it more embarassing for them.

Because last time I checked, war was about achieving political, economical and geographical objectives, is not about Kill/Death Ratio, because war in real life isn't a Call of Duty game.

Finns like to cope how they killed more soviets that finns got killed, but Karelia and Petsamo are still part of Russia; the US killed plenty of vietnamese, still South Vietnam hasn't been a thing for over 47 years; the US managed to wipe 20% of the population of North Korea, yet the US doesn't dare to touch them nowadays, and so on.
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Not that I disagree with your point, but Russia can't ignore the losses either. The Russian population is on a historical decline, with no immediate end in sight. A victory could potentially come at a human cost so heavy that Russia won't be able to recover for decades. 200.000 dead young Russians today, that's potentially something like a third of a million less recruits available to the Russian military in 20 years.

Not that I think Russia is there, but it isn't an inexhaustible resource either.
 
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Which is why I'm starting to think that is part of the reasons why Russia is reluctant to do a full mobilization, besides the whole "brotherly war" bs; ensuring Ukraine stays neutral and doesn't become a NATO bulwark, but also absorbing part of its population and resources, hence why they don't seem to hit certain parts of Ukrainian infraestructure unless the Ukranians force them with one attack or other, even when them hitting those targets should be Warfare 101.

They just brought back the Order of Maternal Glory from soviet times, which was awared to women, along with a cash prize, for having more than 10 kids
 
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B777LR said:
Not that I disagree with your point, but Russia can't ignore the losses either. The Russian population is on a historical decline, with no immediate end in sight. A victory could potentially come at a human cost so heavy that Russia won't be able to recover for decades. 200.000 dead young Russians today, that's potentially something like a third of a million less recruits available to the Russian military in 20 years.

Not that I think Russia is there, but it isn't an inexhaustible resource either.
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That is stupid. The gain in population in Ukraine territory will more than offset that. Not to mention the 200k dead figure is out of your ass.
 
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reservior dogs

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B777LR said:
Not that I disagree with your point, but Russia can't ignore the losses either. The Russian population is on a historical decline, with no immediate end in sight. A victory could potentially come at a human cost so heavy that Russia won't be able to recover for decades. 200.000 dead young Russians today, that's potentially something like a third of a million less recruits available to the Russian military in 20 years.

Not that I think Russia is there, but it isn't an inexhaustible resource either.
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The Russians have been quite careful about minimizing losses. One number I heard was 15K Russians killed thus far, comparing to 65-80K Ukrainian soldiers killed. If you consider that the Ukrainians are in the process of losing most of their best trained, best armed and most motivated soldiers, where as the Russian regular army has not yet been fully engaged, you can see how hopeless the situation is for Ukraine.

What the Russians are fighting for is national security. I have no doubt that after the war, their security situation will have drastically improved. As to their economy, thus far it did not change dramatically for the worse. In the future, when they integrate their economy closer to that of China's, it will go on an upswing.
 
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reservior dogs said:
The Russians have been quite careful about minimizing losses. One number I heard was 15K Russians killed thus far, comparing to 65-80K Ukrainian soldiers killed. If you consider that the Ukrainians are in the process of losing most of their best trained, best armed and most motivated soldiers, where as the Russian regular army has not yet been fully engaged, you can see how hopeless the situation is for Ukraine.

What the Russians are fighting for is national security. I have no doubt that after the war, their security situation will have drastically improved. As to their economy, thus far it did not change dramatically for the worse. In the future, when they integrate their economy closer to that of China's, it will go on an upswing.
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The progress is quite slow in the past month, yeah they are against fortifications... but damn, carpet bombing with big thermobaric could level most of these problems. It look like something is not adding up or they are just playing the waiting game and grinding.

Are they waiting for winter at this rate? Maybe taking a couple of town and settle for a long winter where IR signature spotting will be way better, forest giving cover will not be such a nuisance and river crossing will be easier too.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
The progress is quite slow in the past month, yeah they are against fortifications... but damn, carpet bombing with big thermobaric could level most of these problems. It look like something is not adding up or they are just playing the waiting game and grinding.

Are they waiting for winter at this rate? Maybe taking a couple of town and settle for a long winter where IR signature spotting will be way better, forest giving cover will not be such a nuisance and river crossing will be easier too.
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What you pointed out is one of the possibilities. They could be waiting for the winter or just wanted to prolong the war to drain the Europeans. They may also be using the entire Donbass battleground to fix the Ukrainian troops so they can attack elsewhere. There are reports that the regular Russian army had been building up at different places in the North and South.
 
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Looks like western support for the Ukraine is waivering. As soon as the military and economic support stops, the Ukraine military does the same as the ANA and collapses.
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Funny that they talk about Ukraine accepting the stalemate, Russia will not accept the stalemate and if the support will drop they will roll over them. I cannot see Russia stopping there ar all even if their advance is slow like a sloth lately.
 
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