The War in the Ukraine

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Soldier30

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Another hybrid military equipment of the Ukrainian army appeared on video. The developers took as a basis the MT-12 100-mm anti-tank gun created in the 1960s. And they put it on the MT-LB multi-purpose light armored transporter, developed in 1964.


One of the Ukrainian M777 howitzers made in the United States, exhibited at the Army-2022 International Military-Technical Forum.

 
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Russian T-72B withstood a Javelin ATGM strike in Ukraine. The episode of the battle was published by military commander Andrey Filatov. Two Russian tanks tried to enter the village of Kamenka in July. One of the tanks was hit by Javelin anti-tank systems. Despite this, the tank turned around and continued to move. After a while, the tank stopped and the mechanic corrected something on the tank.

 
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Abominable said:
Looks like western support for the Ukraine is waivering
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Support for Ukraine is still strong, at least in America (main player in NATO). But the difference between early Spring of 2022 and now is that weapon and ammo stocks in various NATO countries are running low. And NATO cannot quickly manufacture new ones to replace those that were lost.

I suspect Russia knew this, hence they chose a attrition strategy to grind down materiel. There's now reports of a budding offensive (800 aircraft being massed on Ukraine's borders and loads of new BTGs). With Ukraine down to critical levels of ammo and weapon stocks, the time to strike is now.

The West would then be faced with a dilemma: either send even more weapons and run risk of having dangerously low stocks yourself or let the Ukrainians fend for themselves without much support.
 
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Abominable said:
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Looks like western support for the Ukraine is waivering. As soon as the military and economic support stops, the Ukraine military does the same as the ANA and collapses.
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The most interesting part is this.

He also acknowledged “some small Russian successes in the southern part of Donbass, like in Peski,” adding, however, that the offensive is largely being carried out by the militaries of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), as well as by “Wagner mercenaries.”
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I had my own similar suspicions but it seems like this person believe it to. That would imply that the Russian Army has largely been sitting around and preserving their strength. Just to note, this “expert” is a director from a US think tank founded by former Obama Era officials… who one of them is currently working under Biden.
 
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TK3600 said:
That is stupid. The gain in population in Ukraine territory will more than offset that. Not to mention the 200k dead figure is out of your ass.
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It's an example to demonstrate a point, if you bothered to read the post in full. For what its worth, I tend to believe the lower casualty figures claimed for Russia.
There is no way they will gain a useful increase of population from taking Ukrainian territory. There are claims of 190.000+ dead Ukrainians. God knows how many more have been wounded and maimed. I'm willing to bet Ukraine has been taking those troops primarily from the east, not Kiev or the west.

reservior dogs said:
The Russians have been quite careful about minimizing losses. One number I heard was 15K Russians killed thus far, comparing to 65-80K Ukrainian soldiers killed. If you consider that the Ukrainians are in the process of losing most of their best trained, best armed and most motivated soldiers, where as the Russian regular army has not yet been fully engaged, you can see how hopeless the situation is for Ukraine.

What the Russians are fighting for is national security. I have no doubt that after the war, their security situation will have drastically improved. As to their economy, thus far it did not change dramatically for the worse. In the future, when they integrate their economy closer to that of China's, it will go on an upswing.
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Apart from the initial push, that's my interpretation as well, they have tried to minimize losses a lot.
 
plawolf

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Mohsin77 said:
A battle of attrition (for a conventional force) is never Plan A, and this does flow from strategic priorities (for everyone.) The reason attrition is commonly employed is because plans fail all the time. Yet, failure is never "fine."
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No battle plan survive first contact with the enemy, to class that as ‘failure’ is to display a shocking ignorance to the realities of war.

This is time-old wisdom that seems to be being forgotten these days because America has only been picking fights with opponents who has no means to fight back.

The Russian-Ukraine war is the first near-peer conflict in generations. The only really comparable wars are Vietnam and Korea before that.

There are plenty of screw ups and own goals by the Russians in this war, but it’s beyond absurd to criticise that they are not curbstomping Ukraine like they are only facing a bunch of goat herders armed with AKs old enough to be their grandfathers. The Russians can curbstomp hopelessly outclassed opponents as well as NATO, just ask NATO’s proxies in Syria.

Mohsin77 said:
Yes, and I'm not picking on Russia, but when it comes to operational debriefs/analysis, we should be ruthless (to ourselves and others). There's no room for sugar coating here because it destroys nations.
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What’s more important, looking tacticalKool on Insta or actually winning ground and burying your opponents?

The Russians are getting almost zero style points, but their battlefield results speak for themselves.
 
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