It seems that the negligence in Russian facilities and the high consumption of cigarettes in flammable places has increased a lot in recent days...
The War in the Ukraine
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Crimea
Crimea is Russia before California was USA
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The list of lucid adults who warned of the fateful mistake of cornering Russia is impressive, starting with the author of the so-called "long telegram" (which some consider as important a document as the constitution) ...
... followed by Henry Kissinger, professor Mearscheimer, professor Stephen Cohen, two secretaries of Defense, and ending with the last ambassador to the USSR.
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The West (1991-) is a bloody Comedy.
Crimea is Russia before California was USA
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The list of lucid adults who warned of the fateful mistake of cornering Russia is impressive, starting with the author of the so-called "long telegram" (which some consider as important a document as the constitution) ...
... followed by Henry Kissinger, professor Mearscheimer, professor Stephen Cohen, two secretaries of Defense, and ending with the last ambassador to the USSR.
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The West (1991-) is a bloody Comedy.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
What we want and what we can realistically achieve are seldom the same thing. And as the NATO and Ukraine continuing live demonstrations are showing, rushing in modern weapons does not automatically equate to a corresponding increase in combat power or operational efficiency.
For both Russia and Ukraine, their baseline force structure, training and equipment are so fundamentally deficient no amount of imported wunderwaffe is going to change them into the kind of slick and sleek modern high tech fighting force you evidently want without effectively rebuilding the military from the ground up. Just look to China’s military modernisation to get a flavour of the scale and scope of investment needed over decades.
That is clearly not achievable in time for this war. So rather than pie in the sky daydreaming, what the Russians should, and are doing is working to make the best use of the forces, equipment and tactics they have available or are easily attainable. Which is precisely what they are doing.
It might not look pretty, but it’s undeniably effective.
Operational efficiency is also not at all the simple clear-cut metric you seem to think it is. Operational efficiency is determined by the strategic objectives.
While normally you would expect a speedy victory to be a top priority, it’s not always the case, where stalling and attritional strategies are very commonly employed.
The Ukraine war is a case where it makes perfect sense for Russia to want to stall and attrition Ukraine rather than seek rapid battlefield advancement all the time.
This makes perfect sense both at the operational level to minimise Russian combat losses, as well as on the broader economic strategic level to drag the conflict into winter to repay NATO and the EU in crippling energy bills and/or outright cutting off supplies when they have no via alternatives.
Another factor that I think needs addressing is that overall, it seems to me that people are just assuming that China is desperate to sell any and everything the Russians might want, and it’s just that the Russians don’t want to buy.
But have people considered that maybe China does not want to sell Russia the things they want?
For one thing, any Chinese weapons sold to Russia will be used in anger right on NATO’s doorstep. That will give NATO front row seats to the show and they are likely to learn a great deal about the capabilities and limitations of modern Chinese weapons. Hell, it’s not out of the question for NATO to be able to capture or even buy fully working examples.
For another, again, just look at the Ukrainian case study where they are using modern NATO weapons with minimal to no training and very much not as stipulated in the manuals. The reputational damage to western weapons has been significant even with western MSM doing overtime damage control fluff pieces as fast as they can.
I have zero doubt the Russians will do the same with any modern Chinese weapons sold, and blame the inevitable malfunctions on ‘poor Chinese quality’ rather than their own lack of proper care and training in how to use those weapons as designed.
Then there is the massive issue of pure Russian incompetence, with the latest reminder coming from the Crimea air base calamity.
A look at the dump - classic Russian open air "boxes here, boxes there" ammo dump near the railway station. As in textbook. It's interesting what was there at the time of explosions as timing on the Ukrainian sidelong range attacks is rarely off for something special to cook off.
At about 6:00 am, an ammunition depot detonated near the village of Maiskoye in the Dzhankoysky district of Crimea. Now the area is cordoned off, local residents were evacuated for a five-kilometer zone. The cause of the explosions and fire at the ammunition depot in the Crimea is being investigated. Version and sabotage are not excluded
In the Kherson region, teenagers found a machine gun and a Mukha grenade launcher and accidentally fired from it
The crew of the Russian Tor-M2 air defense system spoke about their combat work in Ukraine and the interception of the Ukrainian tactical missile of the Tochka-U complex. Shooting down a ballistic missile is a difficult task for an air defense system of this class.
In the Kherson region, teenagers found a machine gun and a Mukha grenade launcher and accidentally fired from it
The crew of the Russian Tor-M2 air defense system spoke about their combat work in Ukraine and the interception of the Ukrainian tactical missile of the Tochka-U complex. Shooting down a ballistic missile is a difficult task for an air defense system of this class.
A battle of attrition (for a conventional force) is never Plan A, and this does flow from strategic priorities (for everyone.) The reason attrition is commonly employed is because plans fail all the time. Yet, failure is never "fine."
Yes, and I'm not picking on Russia, but when it comes to operational debriefs/analysis, we should be ruthless (to ourselves and others). There's no room for sugar coating here because it destroys nations.
It seems that the Russian MoD is running out of material, they don't have many videos of their guided missile attacks, that's why more and more they recycle different traces of the same attack, not 1 but up to 3 times
Someone tell them to stop discrediting themselves...
On the other hand, the statement from the Russian MoD regarding the explosions at various points in Crimea is ambiguous, it seems that they themselves do not know what has happened, and they do not know what excuse from the propaganda manual to cling to, for now "sabotage" without showing evidence or images of the place, it is the best they can do
The operational level had already been seen badly in Syria, but now it is showing that they are at the level of a very unprofessional army, if not mediocre
Someone tell them to stop discrediting themselves...
On the other hand, the statement from the Russian MoD regarding the explosions at various points in Crimea is ambiguous, it seems that they themselves do not know what has happened, and they do not know what excuse from the propaganda manual to cling to, for now "sabotage" without showing evidence or images of the place, it is the best they can do
The operational level had already been seen badly in Syria, but now it is showing that they are at the level of a very unprofessional army, if not mediocre
Saboteur units were part of warfare and Ukraine has bragged about them more often than not so, how on earth, does a saboteur attack in this scenario seems unlikely enough to require proof?
On the other hand, you seem less keen to require proof to believe Ukranian claims.
Last time I checked, Assad had regained control of most of Syria(and the west couldn't oust him with already marks the whole spring as complete NATO failure) after the Russians got involved exception being the areas negotiated with Turkey, those occupied by the US and their Al-Qaeda friends and random pockets here and there.
Overall seems a better result that what the US achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan in 20 years, if you ask me. Or what the Ukrainians "achieved" in 8 years in the Donbas prior to this war, lol.
I hope the pay is good, though, I think this forum isn't the best candidate for your propaganda push. Might as well try on reddit, people seem more gullible over there.
I find it hilarious that some users on the forum is posting increasing desperate propaganda and smears in a vain attempt to show that their side is winning. I mean, how many times do you literally have to recycle "... is out of ammunition" during the past 5 months? Please at least show some signs of objectivity and impartiality if you don't want to be laughed out of this forum. For pure propganda we already have MSM doing a far better job than you.