The War in the Ukraine

SlothmanAllen

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The US has been dealing with drones over its air bases it recent years and this is exactly the type of attack people are afraid would happen. I don't think a comprehensive system for defeating FPV drones currently exists, and to further compounding the problem is that hardened aircraft shelters are expensive to make and maintain (especially if you need to make thousands of them).
 

crazyinsane105

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Russians are capturing territory now at the average rate of 20 square kilometers a day. This surge began after March 2025 when Russians recovered the Kursk region. That's up from 10 square kilometers a day in 2024. Now the Russians are a net positive of over 300 square kilometers in the Sumy region. Russian forces in Southern Donetsk are close two or three kilometers from the border of Dnipetrovosk.



The course of the war has already changed decisively since the fall of Bakhmut, the blunting of the Ukrainian Summer Counteroffensive in 2023 and the fall of Avdiivka. It's the Ukrainians that need to change the course which is looking to grind down what remains of the adult male population, now namely down to 18 to 24 year olds, if this doesn't stop. As a nation, in demographic terms, Ukraine is finished as self sufficient society as you no longer have a sustainable workforce to operate the economy.
You realize that Russia is still far, far away from recapturing areas it actually lost to Ukraine in 2022? Lyman, Izium, Kherson area. Not to mention that Russia has no capability at this point, or in the near future, to try and do another march towards Kiev.

This war is a pretty big embarrassment to Russia and further attacks, like the one that happened, are pretty much eroding Russia’s strategic defense against the West, while the West itself remains completely unscathed
 

iewgnem

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We have no evidence the Russians lost that many aircraft. And I never said this wasn't a significant loss. Just that it won't affect the course of the war.
These bombers were meant to be replaced over the next decade with PAK DA anyway.
Loss is a subjective, judging by the size of explosive payload on those drones most damage were induced by hitting a filled fuel tank, so majority of hits on unfueld aircraft were light damage, will still require repair which takes time but an operational issue over a material one.

At end of the day Ukraine isn't trying to win the war with these so how much Russia lost doesn't matter, the nature of these are like V2 or Kamakazi, its for boosting their own morale, and that goal has obviously been achieved.. at least until Russia retaliate.
 

gelgoog

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You realize that Russia is still far, far away from recapturing areas it actually lost to Ukraine in 2022? Lyman, Izium, Kherson area.
They aren't that far from either Izium or Lyman.
But yeah crossing the river to Kherson is unlikely.

Not to mention that Russia has no capability at this point, or in the near future, to try and do another march towards Kiev.
They have the capability, but to fight inside the city would take a lot of troops. You would need a large scale mobilization and the Russian government thus far has balked at this.
 

iewgnem

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Man this war is between former brotherly countries. It's more like a civil war than an "effective war" of sending everything against people with flip flops. That's why it is an SMO. With it's pros and cons. Tip to armed chair generals. Yes it's perfectly plausible to be caught offguard even at war if you are thousands km from the battlefield. Guarding is the most boring but dangerous thing invented by mankind. It can vary from deadly boring to deadly active
This is a big part of the problem IMO, while you can argue a protracted war for sustainable victory require a metered approach to resource allocation, Russian attitude of treating Ukrainians as brothers while Ukrainians, include those who can speak Russian have been brainwashed for 30 years to hate Russia invites terror attacks. There are ethnicity based domestic policies that can effectively eliminate this kind of problem, but those cannot be implemented without by default assume Ukrainians as an ethnicity are a threat, to switch from treating each case separately to implementing a catch-all system to pre-emptively eliminate all possible threats.

Case in point, do what China did in Xinjiang with everyone with Ukrainians background or connections.

While China does have a more advanced domestic security apparatus, it should still be remembered to not make this mistake with Taiwan, everyone with Taiwan connection must be assumed to be a threat, even if they lived on the mainland for years or profess support for unification. Any mercy you show your enemy is cruelty to your own people.
 

Kich

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You realize that Russia is still far, far away from recapturing areas it actually lost to Ukraine in 2022? Lyman, Izium, Kherson area. Not to mention that Russia has no capability at this point, or in the near future, to try and do another march towards Kiev.

This war is a pretty big embarrassment to Russia and further attacks, like the one that happened, are pretty much eroding Russia’s strategic defense against the West, while the West itself remains completely unscathed
The ground campaign is slow because there's no counter to fpv drones. You can't mass a ground force to launch a mission without being spotted by some drone which calls in some HIMARS or artillery strikes or even more drones to harass you.
Also their Air Force have no SEAD or DEAD capabilities.

So what you got is just a bloody crawl for some dozen kms of land grab (which is just planting flag and hiding from the open). Lots of grey zones everywhere.

This conflict would be over by now if Russia had some anti-drone APS for their armor and anti-drone system for personal. At least their Air Force would provide cover from behind while the ground units marched.

Cheap drones have changed everything.
 

tamsen_ikard

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The ground campaign is slow because there's no counter to fpv drones. You can't mass a ground force to launch a mission without being spotted by some drone which calls in some HIMARS or artillery strikes or even more drones to harass you.
Also their Air Force have no SEAD or DEAD capabilities.

So what you got is just a bloody crawl for some dozen kms of land grab (which is just planting flag and hiding from the open). Lots of grey zones everywhere.

This conflict would be over by now if Russia had some anti-drone APS for their armor and anti-drone system for personal. At least their Air Force would provide cover from behind while the ground units marched.

Cheap drones have changed everything.
When you say Russia has no sead capabilities, are you suggesting US has something special in terms of SEAD that Russia doesn't have or have not tried in this war? They have tried everything when it comes to finding and destroying Ukrainian Air defenses. They have succeeded many times and also failed many times.

There is absolutely nothing that US air force has that can beat the layered soviet and the western supplied air defenses that Ukraine posessed.

Even US stealth fighters and bombers would take serious risk if they go against this AD network.
 

gelgoog

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their Air Force have no SEAD or DEAD capabilities.
Every heard of the Kh-31?
The Russians have DEAD capabilities.
Most Flanker aircraft also come with Khibiny which can detect and jam radiation sources.

Their main issue is that Ukraine air defenses can keep their radars turned off until the last minute because NATO aircraft provide them with early warning. And that there are loads of such defenses. Next to Russia, Ukraine is the country in Europe with the most air defenses.
 
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