The War in the Ukraine


Abominable

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Never mind my last post, looks like Azov are getting ready to surrender. At least according to their twitter page.

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Full annexation of Kherson by Russia has several implications both currently and postwar.

1. They control the Dnieper delta. Currently that means there is no longer the possibility of resupplying Ukrainian forces by sea. After the war it means they control all seaborne trade from interior Ukraine.

2. As a federal subject of Russia it enjoys full military protection in all ways. The implication is that Russia is capable of providing this protection.

3. It secures a beachhead on the west bank of the Dnieper and is a logistics hub for launching further raiding attacks into the bulk of Ukraine.
I think the Russian plan will be to annex the whole of the Ukraine. What's happening in Kherson is an idea for what will happen to the rest of the country.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Never mind my last post, looks like Azov are getting ready to surrender. At least according to their twitter page.


I think the Russian plan will be to annex the whole of the Ukraine. What's happening in Kherson is an idea for what will happen to the rest of the country.
Well, step by step. Even if Russia can make no further gains, Kherson will permanently be a shackle on Ukrainian development. Russian forces can indefinitely sustain in Kherson, proven by the fact that multiple Ukrainian counterattacks have failed and there is no civilian resistance. This in turn indicates that Russia has both sufficient public support and military power to annex Kherson and keep it.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Russian twitter channels claiming an American and British general have both surrendered:
Obviously doesn't mean much without proof or an official statement. If I was Putin I'd keep it quiet until the end of the war as to not provoke hostility in the west.

I definitely think there are some foreign NATO members hiding in the bunker. A senior Chechen commander confirmed it on camera last month. Whether NATO were dumb enough to have senior figures there remains to be seen.

I sense a Nuremberg trial if true...
If this is true that's a big deal because Gen.Olson was the first Navy Seal to attain a 4 star (Admiral) and was the predecessor of Admiral William H. Mcraven.

Here's the man's brief bio: Eric Thor Olson (born January 24, 1952) is a retired
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who last served as the eighth Commander,
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(USSOCOM) from July 2, 2007 to August 8, 2011. He previously served as Deputy Commander, U.S. Special Operations Command from 2003 to July 2007. Olson was the first
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ever to be appointed to three-star and four-star flag rank, as well as the first naval officer to be USSOCOM's combatant commander.
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This news is probably fake and fantasy from the Russian side. They wish.
 

Atomicfrog

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Never mind my last post, looks like Azov are getting ready to surrender. At least according to their twitter page.


I think the Russian plan will be to annex the whole of the Ukraine. What's happening in Kherson is an idea for what will happen to the rest of the country.
I cannot see them take whole, the east and the south can be in reach but they need to step-up... Ukraine troops are no slouch but if Russia cannot take that they will be branded as paper tiger big time.
 

ficker22

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I cannot see them take whole, the east and the south can be in reach but they need to step-up... Ukraine troops are no slouch but if Russia cannot take that they will be branded as paper tiger big time.
Russia sadly already lost its image big time and western propaganda surely knows its work. Russia needs to step up its game, physically as well as propaganda.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I cannot see them take whole, the east and the south can be in reach but they need to step-up... Ukraine troops are no slouch but if Russia cannot take that they will be branded as paper tiger big time.

I agree with what Putin says that this is a war for Russia's existence. If Russia ends up with a dismembered Ukraine it'll look like Russia was defeated. See the winter war.

The only win for Russia is if by the end of it everyone thinks, "holy sh*t, Russia is not to be messed with".
That's the reality. It doesn't matter how hard Ukraine gets hit, the brainwashed will just rationalize it by saying "it's not that bad, those areas didn't want freedom bad enough, they were Russians anyways".
 

Soldier30

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The American M777A2 howitzers came to Ukraine without the AFCS digital fire control system. The system allows for automatic correction of fire by GPS, which allows you to increase the pace and accuracy of shooting. Why this electronic unit was removed is not clear, perhaps because of fears that the howitzer will fall into the hands of the Russian army. There have already been reports that one howitzer has been captured by Russia. It is worth noting that the M777 howitzer is quite good and the lightest in the world. One of the problems when using it in Ukraine may be the cost of ammunition, the price of a projectile from $ 60,000.


Russian troops used incendiary shells MZ-21 on Azovstal in Mariupol. The Ukrainian media immediately announced phosphorus ammunition, but in fact unguided rockets MZ-21 were used. The 9M22S projectile is designed for firing from the BM-21 Grad combat vehicle. The incendiary element of the projectile is a shell of hexagonal cross-section made of magnesium alloy ML-5, in the blind socket of which a pyrotechnic composition is pressed.


The Azov battalion surrendered in the city of Mariupol. The wounded are being taken out of Azovstal. The commander of the Azov, Denis Prokopenko, published a video message in which he de facto recognized the surrender of the Azov. "The defenders of Mariupol fulfilled the order, despite all the difficulties, they delayed the superior enemy forces for 82 days and allowed the Ukrainian army to regroup, prepare more personnel and receive a large amount of weapons from partner countries. No weapons will work without professionally trained military personnel, which makes them the most valuable element of the army. For the sake of saving lives, the entire Mariupol garrison fulfills the approved decision of the supreme military command and hopes for the support of the Ukrainian people."

 

Abominable

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The Azov battalion surrendered in the city of Mariupol. The wounded are being taken out of Azovstal. The commander of the Azov, Denis Prokopenko, published a video message in which he de facto recognized the surrender of the Azov. "The defenders of Mariupol fulfilled the order, despite all the difficulties, they delayed the superior enemy forces for 82 days and allowed the Ukrainian army to regroup, prepare more personnel and receive a large amount of weapons from partner countries. No weapons will work without professionally trained military personnel, which makes them the most valuable element of the army. For the sake of saving lives, the entire Mariupol garrison fulfills the approved decision of the supreme military command and hopes for the support of the Ukrainian people."

Russian telegram channels are portraying this as a "win". But I don't see it as such. Azov have shown the blueprint for defending all ethnic Russian cities in the east. Hide among civilians, and if the Russians come and put your city under siege, start massacring civilians to force them to assault and completely destroy the city. Then hide in a bunker for the whole war while the Ukrainian army gets killed above ground. If that happens this war is going to take a long time.

Carry on hiding in the bunker making videos talking about how brave you are. When your supplies run out, surrender. The only way they can salvage something from this is if they publically proclaim that Azov will face trials in DPR for their crimes. Which is not easy to do as there are Russian POWs.

Time to revisit the Kiev offensive in my opinion. Cities in the east need big garrisons to stop them from revolting, so it's not like they can be deployed elsewhere. Kiev and other west Ukrainian cities are poorly defended and the human shield strategy won't work.
 

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