The War in the Ukraine


sheogorath

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The way these Soviet design autoloaders explodes make me doubt about the design of the T-14, at least it doesn't have crew inside the turret anymore. Don't know if the reinforced crew capsule of t-14 could survive that type of desintegration...

The problem isn't the autoloader but the rounds stored in the fighting compartment outside of the armored caroussel. Also soviet doctrine dictates most of these rounds are actually HEAT-FS, which are more explosive than the typical HE and APFSDS rounds.


Needless to say, this will also be a problem for tanks that rely on ammo within the fighting comparment, like the Challenger 2, Leopard 2, etc. but we haven't had much of chance of seeing it since the West usually picks fights with countries that can't defend themselves, so we have gotten used to lopsided battles and images.

For example, Turkish Leo 2's in Syria or the Saudi and Iraqi M1 would be a closer result of what we would see should the West pick a fight with, lets say, China
 
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Anlsvrthng

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The way these Soviet design autoloaders explodes make me doubt about the design of the T-14, at least it doesn't have crew inside the turret anymore. Don't know if the reinforced crew capsule of t-14 could survive that type of desintegration...
Seriously, an explosion that throw hundred meters high the tank turret will destroy the crew, regardless of the position of ammunition storage.

Unless you store the ammuntion 20 meters away from the tank.
 

Abominable

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The Russians letting Azov evacuate their wounded is a mistake. I know they are going to DPR, but still.

Azov's game is to delay. They aren't going to fight and they won't commit mass suicide like Hitler. Getting rid of dozens of injured with gangrenous wounds makes things easier for them as there are less mouths to feed. It will also free up their medics. We all know what's going to happen to these guys when they get to DPR (especially if they are Azov). If Azov want to get rid off their injured they should be made to do the deed themselves.

The correct approach would be either the entire garrison surrenders, or no one does. Doing this is just prolonging the inevitable.
 

Kich

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The Russians letting Azov evacuate their wounded is a mistake. I know they are going to DPR, but still.

Azov's game is to delay. They aren't going to fight and they won't commit mass suicide like Hitler. Getting rid of dozens of injured with gangrenous wounds makes things easier for them as there are less mouths to feed. It will also free up their medics. We all know what's going to happen to these guys when they get to DPR (especially if they are Azov). If Azov want to get rid off their injured they should be made to do the deed themselves.

The correct approach would be either the entire garrison surrenders, or no one does. Doing this is just prolonging the inevitable.
They can get info from those wounded and the latest is 51 not 10 with some healthy individuals. Either way Avoz are fucked and won't last till June. They will all come out and be sent to some prison camp in DPR.
 

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Absolute annihilation at that river crossing:

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FairAndUnbiased

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The Russians letting Azov evacuate their wounded is a mistake. I know they are going to DPR, but still.

Azov's game is to delay. They aren't going to fight and they won't commit mass suicide like Hitler. Getting rid of dozens of injured with gangrenous wounds makes things easier for them as there are less mouths to feed. It will also free up their medics. We all know what's going to happen to these guys when they get to DPR (especially if they are Azov). If Azov want to get rid off their injured they should be made to do the deed themselves.

The correct approach would be either the entire garrison surrenders, or no one does. Doing this is just prolonging the inevitable.
Not so bad. They can interrogate those who surrender and have some PR points before sending them to prison.
 

taxiya

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The Russians letting Azov evacuate their wounded is a mistake. I know they are going to DPR, but still.

Azov's game is to delay. They aren't going to fight and they won't commit mass suicide like Hitler. Getting rid of dozens of injured with gangrenous wounds makes things easier for them as there are less mouths to feed. It will also free up their medics. We all know what's going to happen to these guys when they get to DPR (especially if they are Azov). If Azov want to get rid off their injured they should be made to do the deed themselves.

The correct approach would be either the entire garrison surrenders, or no one does. Doing this is just prolonging the inevitable.
Another possibility is that there are still civilian hostages inside. These hostages are locals whose families are in the city. Russia will certainly take the city permanently. Also the city has a high percentage of`ethnic Russians, even the local Ukrainians are much less anti-Russia then people in Kyiv. Russia can not afford to kill or let die of the civilians in front of the city. It is a place that must be wan by mercy, not by brute.

I believe this is the reason why the Russians didn't do what all military would usually do in a siege war, heavy bombardment for days, weeks or months of populated areas such as in Belgrade and Bagdad.

Honestly, to tell the truth, gas would have been used to either finish off any resistance or flush them out. The underground bunkers are perfect place to do it. And I am not saying Russia would be the only one to do so, others in recent history have done so.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Full annexation of Kherson by Russia has several implications both currently and postwar.

1. They control the Dnieper delta. Currently that means there is no longer the possibility of resupplying Ukrainian forces by sea. After the war it means they control all seaborne trade from interior Ukraine.

2. As a federal subject of Russia it enjoys full military protection in all ways. The implication is that Russia is capable of providing this protection.

3. It secures a beachhead on the west bank of the Dnieper and is a logistics hub for launching further raiding attacks into the bulk of Ukraine.
 

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