The War in the Ukraine

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Lancet takes out a mobile artillery piece.


Looks like a UAZ technical with a Kornet ATGM firing into a Ukrainian fortification. The unique way the Kornet separates it's charges makes it great against fortifications.


The position this video is taken and not from a drone, tells you the Russians have the high ground advantage over Vodyany.

 
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SolarWarden said:
Looks like Russians are bugging out from Zaporizhzhia region
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1598838716956491776
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These are based on Ukrainian military claims, which may or may not be true.

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Russian military movements in Zaporizhia Oblast may suggest that Russian forces cannot defend critical areas amidst increasing Ukrainian strikes on Russian force concentrations and logistics. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on December 1 that Russian forces withdrew or are currently withdrawing personnel from Polohy, Myhailivka, and Inzhenerne in Zaporizhia Oblast.[41] The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that Russian occupation officials in Burchak are conducting a census in preparation for future evacuation measures.[42] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces in the previous days struck Russian force concentrations in Myrne, Tokmak, Inzhenerne, Polohy, Yasne, and Kinsky Rozdory in Zaporizhia Oblast.[43] Russian forces may be withdrawing personnel from positions closer to the frontline in Zaporizhia Oblast to reduce the impact of increasing Ukrainian strikes on Russian manpower and equipment concentrations. The potential withdrawal from Polohy is particularly notable as the settlement lies at a critical road junction, and Russian forces would likely have a harder time defending Tokmak from potential Ukrainian operations without control of that junction. The withdrawal from a critical position may suggest that Russian forces cannot defend the entire frontline in Zaporizhia Oblast and are prioritizing where to concentrate forces. It is just as likely that Russian forces are reorienting their grouping in Zaporizhia Oblast and may move different personnel back into these settlements, however.
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Ukrainian artillery being redeployed. From @milchronicles.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are transferring artillery from Zaporozhye to Kremennaya: what is it for

? For reconnaissance in combat without artillery cover, units of the 17th tank, 80th and 95th air assault, as well as the 4th tank and 92nd mechanized brigades were thrown.

However, a few hours after the start of the movement, the convoy of equipment was detected by the Orlan-30 drone near the village of Zhitlovka (8 km north of Kremennaya). After the detection and additional reconnaissance of targets on moving tanks T-64BV and armored personnel carrier M113 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, rocket artillery was used. Because of the shelling, the Ukrainian troops stopped moving and retreated to their original positions, losing from 80 to 150 people in a few hours.

After observing the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces in the rear areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the villages of Torskoye, Terny, Novosadovo, Makeevka, Stelmakhivka and Berestovoe, a blow was struck with Uragan complexes and Krasnopol long-range shells. Anticipating attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, units of multiple launch rocket systems of the RF Armed Forces changed positions in advance, however, due to the shortage of shells and guns, which the Military Chronicle
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, the Ukrainian artillery did not engage in counter-battery combat.

According to the Military Chronicle, the crews of the M777A2 howitzers left by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kremennaya area, as well as the Polish 155 mm Krab self-propelled guns, due to a shortage of ammunition, use the remaining M795 high-explosive shells with a firing range of up to 20 km for firing. Their use does not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to conduct counter-battery duels with Russian Giacint-B guns using Krasnopol-M guided projectiles (range 25 km), as well as 3OF30 active-rocket projectiles (up to 33.1 km).

Due to the failure of the next attack on Kreminnaya, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to pull artillery to this direction from other sectors. According to some reports, several batteries of M777A2 howitzers and Slovak self-propelled guns Zuzana 2 of the 45th artillery brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, previously deployed in Zaporozhye, may be removed from their positions in the near future, which could lead to an imbalance of Ukrainian forces in the area and a collapse of the front in the event of a counterattack RF Armed Forces.
 
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Tam said:
Ukrainian artillery being redeployed. From @milchronicles.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are transferring artillery from Zaporozhye to Kremennaya: what is it for

? For reconnaissance in combat without artillery cover, units of the 17th tank, 80th and 95th air assault, as well as the 4th tank and 92nd mechanized brigades were thrown.

However, a few hours after the start of the movement, the convoy of equipment was detected by the Orlan-30 drone near the village of Zhitlovka (8 km north of Kremennaya). After the detection and additional reconnaissance of targets on moving tanks T-64BV and armored personnel carrier M113 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, rocket artillery was used. Because of the shelling, the Ukrainian troops stopped moving and retreated to their original positions, losing from 80 to 150 people in a few hours.

After observing the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces in the rear areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the villages of Torskoye, Terny, Novosadovo, Makeevka, Stelmakhivka and Berestovoe, a blow was struck with Uragan complexes and Krasnopol long-range shells. Anticipating attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, units of multiple launch rocket systems of the RF Armed Forces changed positions in advance, however, due to the shortage of shells and guns, which the Military Chronicle
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, the Ukrainian artillery did not engage in counter-battery combat.

According to the Military Chronicle, the crews of the M777A2 howitzers left by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kremennaya area, as well as the Polish 155 mm Krab self-propelled guns, due to a shortage of ammunition, use the remaining M795 high-explosive shells with a firing range of up to 20 km for firing. Their use does not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to conduct counter-battery duels with Russian Giacint-B guns using Krasnopol-M guided projectiles (range 25 km), as well as 3OF30 active-rocket projectiles (up to 33.1 km).

Due to the failure of the next attack on Kreminnaya, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to pull artillery to this direction from other sectors. According to some reports, several batteries of M777A2 howitzers and Slovak self-propelled guns Zuzana 2 of the 45th artillery brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, previously deployed in Zaporozhye, may be removed from their positions in the near future, which could lead to an imbalance of Ukrainian forces in the area and a collapse of the front in the event of a counterattack RF Armed Forces.
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Ukraine and Russian forces are facing each other separated by the range of their artillery. It look like one follow the other to counter it. The movement of Russian forces out of Zaporozhye is probably to do just that. Artillery preventing forces concentration to create enough troops to make a push. It's grinding, and the one with most ammo will grind more. But If the Russian forces need to follow, they don't have enough to cover all the front line too. With the amount of barrage used, maybe we see some shortage due to maintenancesa on the Russian side too.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
Su-30/Su-35 don't have external fuel tank capacity under the wings, so don't search for them. Su-34 have a lot of range without fuel tanks... like other flankers but have the capacity to carry them under wings. Still, fuel tanks are more or less ripped open on high G manoeuver, so jet carrying them have big restriction, way better to be clean and be able to do SAM evading.
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Su-35 has external tank in design the fact they didnot bother with it means they dont expect it carry maximum load that will impact range. not even single Flanker variant that has shown picture is showing anything more than 3Tons of weopons. there is no such thing as high G maneuver in this conflict.
they already understood the importance of extended range weopons in attack choppers. so this Ukraine didnot change anything in those assumptions.
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"The fleet of army aviation helicopters should be equipped as quickly as possible with modern airborne defense systems with improved performance, equipped with the latest extended-range weapons, and 100 modernized Mi-28NM combat helicopters should be delivered to the troops by 2028," the head of state ordered.
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The longer the war goes on the better it is for Russia. Ukraine is 100% dependent on western aid, Russia is not.

People who think Ukraine will get stronger are living in fantasy land. The whole western economy is imploding, yet we're supposed to believe they can continue pumping hundreds of billions into the Ukranian regime.

The main thing for Putin to do is not to b*tch out and be prepared to fight all the way. As a politician I think he has no match in the west, so he is capable of doing it.
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It is not Ukrana vs Russia, but USA vs. Russia.

C'mon , Russia figth with units using USA made weapons, trained by the USA in occupied western european countries, and commanded by USA officers.

Only a small step further to say hire 100 000 military age man from Bangladesh, give them Ukrainan citizenship, train them in Germany by USA miltiary inscructors, give them freshly made jawelin, stinger and m-16, and send them to the meat grinder.

Who cares about the area around the roads as they transport the fresh Ukrainan citizens born in Niger/Bangladesh or whatever on the way to Donbas to protect they new home country?

There could be millions of them, even if Russia manage to loose one of they soldiers as they kill ten Niger born Ukrainan citizen they still loose the fight.

So, there is no time, Russia has to start the action NOW before the USA develop a syrian style nazi jihadish militants manufacturing line.
 
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Anlsvrthng said:
It is not Ukrana vs Russia, but USA vs. Russia.

C'mon , Russia figth with units using USA made weapons, trained by the USA in occupied western european countries, and commanded by USA officers.

Only a small step further to say hire 100 000 military age man from Bangladesh, give them Ukrainan citizenship, train them in Germany by USA miltiary inscructors, give them freshly made jawelin, stinger and m-16, and send them to the meat grinder.

Who cares about the area around the roads as they transport the fresh Ukrainan citizens born in Niger/Bangladesh or whatever on the way to Donbas to protect they new home country?

There could be millions of them, even if Russia manage to loose one of they soldiers as they kill ten Niger born Ukrainan citizen they still loose the fight.

So, there is no time, Russia has to start the action NOW before the USA develop a syrian style nazi jihadish militants manufacturing line.
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Bengalis will not fight to the death in Ukraine, Ukrainians will.

If Russia was fighting US conventionaly, it would have been over in the first week.

Russia is fighting Ukraine backed by entirety of NATO. If Russian planners did not foresee this, then they are incompetent or corrupt, most likely both.
 
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phrozenflame said:
Bengalis will not fight to the death in Ukraine, Ukrainians will.
If Russia was fighting US conventionaly, it would have been over in the first week.
Russia is fighting Ukraine backed by entirety of NATO. If Russian planners did not foresee this, then they are incompetent or corrupt, most likely both.
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They predicted it allright. The Russians planned for this war since 2014. It happened a bit sooner than they wanted to but they just ploughed in regardless. If you look at the Russian buildup of armored battalions over past 8 years it is kind of obvious.
 
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