probably iaf was influenced by israeli af attacking an enemy had no airforce?
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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LCA Tejas, the most stealthy aircraft, not observed on the ground, in air or the internet. Really, wtf happened? Theyve spent what...50 years on it.
The funniest part is now, because mk. 1A missed this conflagration (and we got this result where Pakistan simply outbuilt India) entirely thanks to american engine delays.
"denuclearize Pakistan"
^^ That idea is atleast 45 years old, but not of Indian origin. First, it was Israeli AF incoming from India in 1980. Second, US-led NATO ~2011 claiming terrorists might get their hands on nukes (India producing the propaganda). And third, now, India claiming Pakistani nukes are in jeopardy.
In all three events, India was involved. The only one who is really afraid is, imo, Israel.
Speaking of safety, the only country with such dismal records is India itself. Article below shows 5 incidents of uranium theft in India between 1994 and 2015, including by guerilla/terrorists who intended to make a crude bomb.
plawolf
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Well, to be fair you might be a little too critical here.
Most MAWs rely on the thermal heat plumes to detect missile launches and incoming missiles. With the engagement ranges cited, it’s very likely, almost certain even, that the PL15s would have already exhausted their rocket fuel and were gliding in on pure inertia, so MAWS failure to detect them isn’t that big of a failure if that was the case.
Depending on the speed of the PL15, there might have been literally no reaction time left for the pilots to do anything by the time the PL15 went pitbull and triggered the RWR.
If I was to guess, considerable effort would have been made by the PL15 designers to hit the sweet spot of when to trigger the second stage such that it burns out before enemy MAWs can detect it, but late enough to retain maximum energy for the missile, and also delay going pitbull long enough to give minimal warning but still sufficient time for course corrections to maximise KP. It would be a great disservice to the PL15 to just heap all the blame on India and Rafales and not give it the credit it deserves for being able to bypass all of the defences of one of the world’s best fighters.
Similarly, I think it would be both too harsh on the Rafale and underscoring the skill and capabilities of Pakistani pilots and EW in the Rafales not being able to detect the missiles on radar as they were incoming.
For all we know, the shots could have been made at oblique angles to avoid easy detection by the target’s own radars. Also, EW could have significantly degraded the Rafales’ radar and RWR performance and/or given them so many false alerts that the pilots ended up basically turning them off or ignoring the warnings when the actual missiles came in.
The fact that the PAF achieved a near full house of kills against almost every frontline fighter aircraft type within the IAF strongly suggests that it was more a case of how well the PAF and Chinese tactics and weapons performance combined with how backwards IAF tactics were, as opposed to how bad the Rafale was. It does prove that the Rafale isn’t magic as French marketing would have you believe. But then, I think even the F22 and J20 would have struggled in IAF hands in those same circumstances.
Why is IAF not hosting a similar meet and greet of Rafale, M2K, and MKI pilots with Modi? Even Abinandan got a medal in 2019. Surely they deserve recognition for the feat of bravery on the night of the 7th.