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siegecrossbow

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Why are they still flying these antiques? If F-CK-1 is largely based on what was meant to be the F-5's successor (F-20 Tigershark), then in it should be able to handle these missions.

Is there a huge discrepancy is $/flight hour? Only thing I can think of.

Mainland is still flying J-7s and J-8s too. Let’s not get too carried away here.

That said, the cause of death is supposedly damage to neck vertebrates caused by the ejection seat. Ejection seats on F-5s still use explosive charges instead of rockets, which impart a much higher impulse during ejection.
 

Temstar

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Why are they still flying these antiques? If F-CK-1 is largely based on what was meant to be the F-5's successor (F-20 Tigershark), then in it should be able to handle these missions.

Is there a huge discrepancy is $/flight hour? Only thing I can think of.
Taiwan doesn't have an advanced trainer, I believe they were going to buy some from the Italians years ago but it fell through. So instead they are using F-5E and F-5F as trainers. This is a terrible idea because fighters, even old ones are much more expensive to operate compared to dedicated trainer. PLAN face the same problem on a smaller scale where they are using J-15 to train pilots on carriers, although last year a carrier capable trainer was able to successfully land on 16 or 17 (I forgot which) so that will be fixed soon.

Taiwan has developed a twin seat advanced trainer based on F-CK-1 and it was unveiled recently, all the F-5s are meant to be retired by 2022 and replaced in their trainer role by this new aircraft. Although amusingly this new trainer's engines do not have afterburners and cannot go supersonic other than in a dive.
 

gelgoog

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Taiwan doesn't have an advanced trainer, I believe they were going to buy some from the Italians years ago but it fell through. So instead they are using F-5E and F-5F as trainers. This is a terrible idea because fighters, even old ones are much more expensive to operate compared to dedicated trainer. PLAN face the same problem on a smaller scale where they are using J-15 to train pilots on carriers, although last year a carrier capable trainer was able to successfully land on 16 or 17 (I forgot which) so that will be fixed soon.

Taiwan has developed a twin seat advanced trainer based on F-CK-1 and it was unveiled recently, all the F-5s are meant to be retired by 2022 and replaced in their trainer role by this new aircraft. Although amusingly this new trainer's engines do not have afterburners and cannot go supersonic other than in a dive.

But the F-5 isn't all that different from the T-38 Talon. Which is the trainer aircraft the USAF has had for decades.
Still I do agree they should have replaced them by now already.
It is common for trainer jets not to have afterburners. You typically train pilots on a subsonic trainer aircraft and then switch them to a two-seater variant of the final combat aircraft for the next training and that one is the one with the afterburner.
 
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supersnoop

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Mainland is still flying J-7s and J-8s too. Let’s not get too carried away here.

That said, the cause of death is supposedly damage to neck vertebrates caused by the ejection seat. Ejection seats on F-5s still use explosive charges instead of rockets, which impart a much higher impulse during ejection.
But the difference is J-7 and J-8 was produced well into 2000's, so I think we can assume that the mainland airframes are of the more recent vintages (even if obsolete tech).

Taiwan doesn't have an advanced trainer, I believe they were going to buy some from the Italians years ago but it fell through. So instead they are using F-5E and F-5F as trainers. This is a terrible idea because fighters, even old ones are much more expensive to operate compared to dedicated trainer. PLAN face the same problem on a smaller scale where they are using J-15 to train pilots on carriers, although last year a carrier capable trainer was able to successfully land on 16 or 17 (I forgot which) so that will be fixed soon.

Taiwan has developed a twin seat advanced trainer based on F-CK-1 and it was unveiled recently, all the F-5s are meant to be retired by 2022 and replaced in their trainer role by this new aircraft. Although amusingly this new trainer's engines do not have afterburners and cannot go supersonic other than in a dive.
I thought this program was already underway. Makes sense now. Hard to keep up with recent breakneck pace of mainland developments.
 

supersnoop

Major
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There's something odd with the Taiwanese military. There's this assumption anyone who's a US ally also gets the military training and are up there with elite militaries of the world... nah! You always hear of these types of incidents from their military
To be fair, since they are using F-5 as Jet trainer, US is also still using T-38 as well. Numerous age-related problems exist with the T-38s as well which have killed US pilots. The replacement has only recently been approved.

Was there a program in between that was cancelled?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
It doesn't matter if what the Taiwanese have is new or old. It's more how they're being trained. They still might have the old way of thinking that soldiers are on the lowest ranks of the hierarchy.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
You'd think someone with half (or even a tenth of) a brain would have already ditched this Yun Feng nonsense and use that money for HF-IIE LACMs instead (a supersonic long range LACM have the disadvantages of both ballistic missiles (everyone can see them once launched) and subsonic LACMs (once spotted, you're dead meat for SAMs and interceptors, especially when facing one of the world's densest AD networks).

Oh, and if it's an upsized HF-III (which is the most likely option considering how long the thing has been gestating in development), it'll probably weigh at least 10 tons (that's getting into MRBM territory) to achieve a range above 1000km.

Taiwan says has begun mass production of long-range missile​

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TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan has begun mass production of a long-range missile and is developing three other models, a senior official said on Thursday, in a rare admission of efforts to develop strike capacity amid growing Chinese pressure.

China, which claims democratic Taiwan as its own territory, has stepped up military activity near the island, as it tries to force the government in Taipei to accept Beijing’s claims of sovereignty.

Taiwan’s armed forces, dwarfed by China’s, are in the midst of a modernisation programme to offer a more effective deterrent, including the ability to hit back at bases deep within China in the event of a conflict.

Taking lawmaker questions in parliament, Taiwan Defence Minister Chiu Kuo-cheng said developing a long-range attack capability was a priority.

“We hope it is long-range, accurate and mobile,” he said, adding research on such weapons by the state-owned National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology had “never stopped”.


Standing next to Chiu, the institute’s deputy director Leng Chin-hsu said one long-range, land-based missile had already entered production, with three other long-range missiles in development.

Leng said it was “not convenient” for him to provide details on how far the missile could fly.

The institute, which is leading Taiwan’s weapon development efforts, has in recent months carried out a series of missile tests off its southeastern coast.

Media in Taiwan have carried images of missiles launching and instructions have been given to aircraft to stay clear of the test area, but the tests have otherwise been shrouded in secrecy.


Taiwan’s armed forces have traditionally concentrated on defending the island from a Chinese attack.

But President Tsai Ing-wen has stressed the importance of developing an “asymmetrical” deterrent, using mobile equipment that is hard to find and destroy, and capable of hitting targets far from Taiwan’s coast.

Washington, Taipei’s main foreign arms supplier, has been eager to create a military counterbalance to Chinese forces, building on an effort known within the Pentagon as “Fortress Taiwan”.

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