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"Beijing should let the US and the Democratic Progressive Party authorities in the island of Taiwan know that if they dare to stage a Pompeo visit to Taiwan before the end of the US secretary of state's tenure, Beijing's strong counteractions will fall like an avalanche upon them. The Chinese People's Liberation Army fighters will fly over the island of Taiwan immediately, declaring Beijing's sovereignty over the island in an unprecedented way. If the US and the island of Taiwan dare to overreact, war will be sparked. China will punish the Taiwan authorities which cooperate with Pompeo's final show of madness."
 

Mr T

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The Trump administration and US Congress's increasing aggressiveness on Taiwan issue is really an emotional outlet of deep psychological frustration, anger and, indeed, desperation against an opponent that has outplayed the US in the last four years in every which way.
Putting the Trump administration aside, Congress has been pro-Taiwan for a long time. The success in passing more legislation is down to an increased feeling that China was taking the US for a fool, especially Obama who was
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that he wouldn't militarise the South China Seas. If you want to say lying to someone's face and deceiving them is "outplaying" them then it's no surprise if that leads to bad relations.
Most importantly, China knows that time is on its side and that change in the balance of power favorable to China has been accelerating.
I mean that's been a talking point on this forum ever since I first came here. I'd honestly like to know at what stage the balance of power is "sufficiently" in China's favour in a way that could be objectively measured. I see China's continued posturing like the guy who says "yeah, I could take them anytime". Maybe but repeatedly having to say that suggests a form of impotence, even if it's psychological rather than a physical problem.
if they dare to stage a Pompeo visit to Taiwan before the end of the US secretary of state's tenure, Beijing's strong counteractions will fall like an avalanche upon them. The Chinese People's Liberation Army fighters will fly over the island of Taiwan immediately, declaring Beijing's sovereignty over the island in an unprecedented way.
Pompeo will not be visiting Taiwan. It was speculated he might do it but there is no evidence he ever considered it. That is the Global Times creating a fake scenario. Like if it said "if Leader X of Country Y meets with the Dalai Lama China will crush Country Y" when a meeting with the Dalai Lama was never on the cards.

Also if China sends fighters over Taiwan, the Taiwanese government will have no choice but to intervene. They might be given the opportunity to land at a Taiwanese airbase if there are only a few but if they refused they'd have to be shot down. It will be China starting a war, just as if any of China's neighbours flew planes over China, whilst forcing its pilots on a suicide mission for no good reason.
 

Mr T

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I kinda want Fat Pomp to visit Taiwan, so China can drone strike him as soon as he steps off the plane as a fitting response to all his provocations.
I mean if Xi wants to drone strike everyone who has said nice things about Taiwan, China's going to end up going to war with a lot of countries. As much as China doesn't like other countries having more official links to Taiwan, the old State Department rules had largely been invalidated anyway after legislation passed by Congress like the Taiwan Travel Act. You can rage against Pompeo but US legislators are the principle architects of the new status quo (even if Biden revises it again).

Besides isn't the US' ambassador to the UN visiting Taiwan provocation enough?
 
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Gatekeeper

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Gee so much mind bending, where do I start.

Well first, let's say welcome back. I see you've surfaced now, that all the 'peaceful protestors' have been rounded up, and the ring leaders silenced. On wait, this isn't happening in Hong Kong or China. What am I saying!

It's quite telling, that one of the biggest disturbances in the world, and it's happening in the most powerful country in the world that pride itself on 'freedom and democracy'. And with dissidents arrested and state censorship, and you remain silence on the matter. mmmmmm.

Be that as it may.

The success in passing more legislation is down to an increased feeling that China was taking the US for a fool, especially Obama who was
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that he wouldn't militarise the South China Seas. If you want to say lying to someone's face and deceiving them is "outplaying" them then it's no surprise if that leads to bad relations.

Gee quoting the diplomat doesn't make it true. And as often, you neglect to tell the full story to suit your narratives. You ate not going to accept this, No matter, what the others members, China always said providing there's no Chang or probation of the status quo. Sending warship up and down another nations coast is not provocation in your head. Then carry on smoking your stuff.

I see China's continued posturing like the guy who says "yeah, I could take them anytime". Maybe but repeatedly having to say that suggests a form of impotence, even if it's psychological rather than a physical problem.

Always bring up SCS that's half way around the world from where you are is psychological stability at work Tthen?

It will be China starting a war, just as if any of China's neighbours flew planes over China, whilst forcing its pilots on a suicide mission for no good reason.

As you often said to people on this forum:
'I hate to break it to you'. The 'war' never actually ceased. So how can one start a war that hasn't official stopped? Another one of your mind gymnastics tricks?
 
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tamsen_ikard

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I mean if Xi wants to drone strike everyone who has said nice things about Taiwan, China's going to end up going to war with a lot of countries. As much as China doesn't like other countries having more official links to Taiwan, the old State Department rules had largely been invalidated anyway after legislation passed by Congress like the Taiwan Travel Act. You can rage against Pompeo but US legislators are the principle architects of the new status quo (even if Biden revises it again).

Besides isn't the US' ambassador to the UN visiting Taiwan provocation enough?

I think China is very soft on the Taiwan issue. Whatever provocation US does, the response should be to squeeze Taiwan ever harder. And yet Beijing is not willing to do anything. US sanction people it doesn't like, China should be putting sanctions on Taiwan Independence supporters and leaders as well. They should make it clear that any that does business in or with China cannot do any sort of business or transaction with Taiwan independence supporters. That should put a clear cost on anyone advocating such things.

China's economic power is now strong enough make Taiwan as isolated as North Korea. If tensions and provocations become even higher then put secondary sanctions on anyone that trades with Taiwan. That will tank Taiwan economy completely. But again China is keeping its reserves full for now.

Taiwan issue is identical to the Hong Kong issue. The majority of people in both places consider themselves superior to the mainlanders and also think China is too weak and about to collapse and the glorious west so powerful that when they get "serious", China will cower in fear.

No matter how many perks China gives, their hatred will not change to goodwill until their superiority complex is broken and their hopes of western rescue is comprehensively shattered. They will keep pushing with more and more provocations and China will be forced to become tough anyway. Soft approach is not working out. China must make it clear to Taiwanese that electing DPP means economic suicide. Only then they will stop voting DPP into power.
 
Also if China sends fighters over Taiwan, the Taiwanese government will have no choice but to intervene. They might be given the opportunity to land at a Taiwanese airbase if there are only a few but if they refused they'd have to be shot down. It will be China starting a war, just as if any of China's neighbours flew planes over China, whilst forcing its pilots on a suicide mission for no good reason.
LOLOL Land at an airport or shot down? You have things confused; that's what happens when foreign aircraft venture into Chinese airspace. No ROC force would ever dare fire the first shot at a PLA aircraft because this is a war that the CCP is just waiting for them to start. And even if they tried, there's much doubt they could bring a Chinese fighter down so the only suicide mission would be for the ROC forces to fire that shot. China starts no conflicts but we do finish them.
 

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I think China is very soft on the Taiwan issue. Whatever provocation US does, the response should be to squeeze Taiwan ever harder. And yet Beijing is not willing to do anything. US sanction people it doesn't like, China should be putting sanctions on Taiwan Independence supporters and leaders as well. They should make it clear that any that does business in or with China cannot do any sort of business or transaction with Taiwan independence supporters. That should put a clear cost on anyone advocating such things.

China's economic power is now strong enough make Taiwan as isolated as North Korea. If tensions and provocations become even higher then put secondary sanctions on anyone that trades with Taiwan. That will tank Taiwan economy completely. But again China is keeping its reserves full for now.

Taiwan issue is identical to the Hong Kong issue. The majority of people in both places consider themselves superior to the mainlanders and also think China is too weak and about to collapse and the glorious west so powerful that when they get "serious", China will cower in fear.

No matter how many perks China gives, their hatred will not change to goodwill until their superiority complex is broken and their hopes of western rescue is comprehensively shattered. They will keep pushing with more and more provocations and China will be forced to become tough anyway. Soft approach is not working out. China must make it clear to Taiwanese that electing DPP means economic suicide. Only then they will stop voting DPP into power.

The reason China doesn't squeeze harder is because it's not necessary. Most of Taiwan's goods are going to China. Either for assembly or consumption. You could launch a trade war tomorrow and cripple their economy far worse that what Trump tried to do with China.

However, if China wanted to take a hard approach, they would have just launched the military solution. We saw what happened in Serbia and Crimea. US and allies are willing to push-push-push, but don't want to be hit back hard. Such a war would not only be expensive in terms of lives, but also the economy of both sides would be severely handicapped.

Even if majority of people in Taiwan (and HK) feel superior over mainlanders, there are and probably always will be 25% to 30% that will be hardcore Chinese identity (I would argue in the case of HK that many that feel superior to mainlanders are not anti-Chinese identity). Such a big chunk of the population can cause severe domestic unrest as witnessed in the US from the BLM protests to the recent Trump storm.

I also think that not being harder on DPP administrations is part of playing this long game. DPP has no clear plan for Taiwan's future. Economically and politically, "Go South" plan has been a failure. The idea was for Taiwan to increase outgoing FDI in South East Asian countries and hopefully counter Chinese influence. What has happened instead? Thailand refuses to reciprocate visa-free travel for ROC-Taiwan passport holders, and the military continues to invest in Chinese equipment. Malaysia is welcoming Chinese investment including pushing forward with HSR plans and the purchase of the (former) national car company Proton by Geely. Indonesia is touting its purchase of Chinese vaccines. Vietnam, arguably the country with the worst relationship with China since they actually fought a small war in recent history, counts China as one of their top investors (Taiwan is also). Even Philippines, probably second to Vietnam and one of the US' closest allies is moving to a more pragmatic relationship (at least for now). Not to mention the RCEP which has totally trumped Go South in scope.
 

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