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james smith esq

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Are the Russians giving up on the SU57?
Possibly, tho’ it might seem unlikely, this “Check-Mate” program might be strictly for export. UAC does need something affordable and technically competitive to bring in some, much needed, export income.
 

siegecrossbow

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Possibly, tho’ it might seem unlikely, this “Check-Mate” program might be strictly for export. UAC does need something affordable and technically competitive to bring in some, much needed, export income.

I don’t think that’s the case. In a recent interview the head of the Checkmate program stated that they are going with the FC-31 route of privately funding the design. I think Russian Air Force will acquire it, just to fill the gaps of retired Fulcrums.
 

Xizor

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I don’t think that’s the case. In a recent interview the head of the Checkmate program stated that they are going with the FC-31 route of privately funding the design. I think Russian Air Force will acquire it, just to fill the gaps of retired Fulcrums.
Being a single engine design, I'd think Russia will buy a token number just to get the trust of potential buyers.The huge Russian landmass requires it to have big aircrafts. This aircraft would never become numerous within RuAF.

I hope this has a STOVL capability.
 

j17wang

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But the problem with this thinking is that those nations mentioned aren't even offered or allowed American F-35.

Lauded and supported? Well sure in the sense that it gives the western powers more to think and worry about. Russia is an alternative path in both geopolitics and military acquisitions for many nations wishing to find partners and suppliers. It is a powerful one with capability beyond those of many nations. These remain good things for China not only for politics but for militarily strategic reasons. Where it isn't so good is high tech weapons being sold to India and the risk of them being used against China. Regardless of the scale and damage, it is undesirable. Of course Russia is free to supply whoever they want. These shouldn't necessarily be diplomatically voiced against them unless the threat is present and great. It is up to China itself to ensure even if India inducted hundreds of Su-57 and Checkmates in future, China would be three steps ahead in every worthwhile domain. More ideally, India and China slowly repair and create decent relations. Although I think this is unlikely in our lifetime for reasons I don't feel like exploring. Westerners and Indians would prefer to pin blame (whatever things may be) squarely and absolutely on China and Chinese people regardless of facts and nuance.

Russia and China are both doing each other favours for standing up against western elites. Two giants standing against their will is better than one. On that front, any Russian achievement indeed ought to be celebrated. India buying Russian weapons also isn't quite the threat it appears. China can access as much if not more of what Russia offers others. It can out-pay India for details and information if it ever became necessary. It can even out-buy India if we're talking about a situation where it can only apply the same military solution in response to India. There's also the expectation that Russia will be using something different to what they export. Information is half the battle and in this domain, China can neutralise a Russian sourced Indian threat in more ways and greater depth than India could against China. For one thing, intel on Chinese hardware can only be found through China whereas for the right money and motivations, Russia will probably be willing to reveal information if it ever came to choosing between China and India, between $x and $x^1/n. However China Russian politics may shift in future depending on western threat to both. Some Indians are already making it out that acquisition of this fighter (in future) will immediately put them ahead of PLAAF :rolleyes:

If it ever came down to India either acquiring western 5th gen or 5+gen fighters or Russia ones, I'd much rather India end up buying Russian ones. China has little to no leverage and leeway in ascertaining any important detail directly if it is a western fighter. At most it will need to conduct espionage and cyberwarfare to find information, weaknesses, strengths etc. With Russia, it can hold some negotiations and make it worthwhile for Russia to throw whoever under the bus in exchange for even greater benefits. As long as others don't have the ability to develop and manufacture their own, they will have only the choice of buying western, russian or chinese. China can guarantee Russia their market in exchange and western means politics. So there you have it. Ain't no choice but less than perfect ones. They will still buy Russian don't you worry. China will have nothing much to gain by stepping on anyone in this domain. Self defense and continued development is primary objective of China's own MIC. It makes money elsewhere.
Exactl, if Russia doesnt supply India, Vietnam, and middle east, they will be able to get weapons from US. India, Vietnam, and many countries have a right to self defense, and weapons to do so. Its important that they dont make the US stronger in the process.
 

james smith esq

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I don’t think that’s the case. In a recent interview the head of the Checkmate program stated that they are going with the FC-31 route of privately funding the design. I think Russian Air Force will acquire it, just to fill the gaps of retired Fulcrums.
CORRECTION:
Ok!
Then, could it Check-Mate the MIG-35? Or can Russia afford a US style hi-lo 4th and 5th gen force procurement?
 

lgnxz

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I think Russian Air Force will acquire it, just to fill the gaps of retired Fulcrums.
Haha yeah sure, let's pretend that the MIg-35 program didn't exist. What makes you thing that this, an aircraft that's designed privately, would be the one that the russian airforce will procure in say 2035 when they can't even procure Mig-35 or even Su-57 in a large number right now?

People just gets easily enthused over new fighters, similar thing happened with the unveiling of korean KF-X (this one is not even 5th gen!). Once you take a closer look at the state of each country's tech development, and imo more importantly, its respective manufacturing capability to produce them in a substantial enough number, you'll soon realize that these kind of projects nowadays can only materialize if they're done either by China or US. Getting it out of the CAD or PPT file by itself is already a very rare feat to accomplish. So adjust your expectations, otherwise you'd be very disappointed.
 
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