QBZ-191 service rifle family


TerraN_EmpirE

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I still don't understand how the bolt carrier slide inside the receiver. The receiver is hinged right at the "tube" that suppose to guide the bolt carrier in AR-15, does the bolt carrier simply hanging by bolt head connecting to barrel extension if the receiver is opened? or is there some kind of guide rail inside the receiver?
In the AR15 design the bolt is suspended on the spring and buffer which rides inside the receiver. The receiver halves are internally tube shaped between both upper and lower. This is why the bolt carrier is cylindrical in shape . Early AR15 used a guide rod in the design this was replaced later with the buffer weights which was done to reduce issues of bolt bounce caused by the Army using Ball propellent in the 60s. No external rails.
 

MwRYum

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Hopefully one day our resident firearms expert Ian McCollum can show us how it functions. Does have that Galil ACE flavor to it.
The day that 208th Institute would have the permission to invite Ian "Gun Jesus" McCollum, an American citizen, for an exclusive tour and test shots with just about everything including the QBZ-191 series?

You do remember we're right in the middle of Cold War 2.0, and it's going to escalate in the coming decade, right?

Seriously, for as much as I wish for such a tour to happen, I won't hold my breath.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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At some point in the future the interior of the weapons will be shown. The bolt carrier alone would reveal much of the actual operations. However this isn’t some super technology here. As more photos come out we can guess more about the rifle.
 

LCR34

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The day that 208th Institute would have the permission to invite Ian "Gun Jesus" McCollum, an American citizen, for an exclusive tour and test shots with just about everything including the QBZ-191 series?

You do remember we're right in the middle of Cold War 2.0, and it's going to escalate in the coming decade, right?

Seriously, for as much as I wish for such a tour to happen, I won't hold my breath.
The only thing that'll happen, is when Norinco/poly sells Civilian version to Canada, then Ian can get his hands on. He did the same on Type 97.
 
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Kejora

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I don’t think Gun Jesus is a member here.

In the AR15 design the bolt is suspended on the spring and buffer which rides inside the receiver. The receiver halves are internally tube shaped between both upper and lower. This is why the bolt carrier is cylindrical in shape . Early AR15 used a guide rod in the design this was replaced later with the buffer weights which was done to reduce issues of bolt bounce caused by the Army using Ball propellent in the 60s. No external rails.
The fixed charging handle might also works as guide rail
 

Kejora

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I don’t think Gun Jesus is a member here.

In the AR15 design the bolt is suspended on the spring and buffer which rides inside the receiver. The receiver halves are internally tube shaped between both upper and lower. This is why the bolt carrier is cylindrical in shape . Early AR15 used a guide rod in the design this was replaced later with the buffer weights which was done to reduce issues of bolt bounce caused by the Army using Ball propellent in the 60s. No external rails.
Also I'm talking about how the tube shaped receiver in AR-15 works as guide for bolt carrier but in QBZ-191 the receiver is hinged right at the "tube" so there's need to be something supporting the bolt carrier to prevent them from dropping if the receiver is opened. Or the bolt carrier might simply be hold in place by bolt head gripping the barrel trunnion when the bolt is closed.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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Also I'm talking about how the tube shaped receiver in AR-15 works as guide for bolt carrier but in QBZ-191 the receiver is hinged right at the "tube" so there's need to be something supporting the bolt carrier to prevent them from dropping if the receiver is opened. Or the bolt carrier might simply be hold in place by bolt head gripping the barrel trunnion when the bolt is closed.

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Well again if you look at the AR 15 the upper and lower receiver is hinged. When you break the rifle down you pull the bolt back and in the process the buffer is locked in the receiver extension by a plunger. The bolt basically floats in the upper so when you pull the rear pin and shotgun break the receiver the bolt will stay in the upper.
Given the continuous profile of the QBZ 191 I can only imagine something similar. You then would in an AR slide the bolt out of the upper. In the QBZ it’s more faceted in profile yes but if you look at the seem it indents above the line of upper and lower. With the charging handle being at the inward line. On some bolts that might be a separate part like on the AR on others a partially separate part that only breaks contact as part of the field strip, or it could be integral. Frankly we have never seen a field strip. We base our assessment on old graphics of a prototype that seems close enough
Does not really look like a type03. I think that is it. After years of guessing, turns out we have already seen it without knowing.

 

steel21

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The day that 208th Institute would have the permission to invite Ian "Gun Jesus" McCollum, an American citizen, for an exclusive tour and test shots with just about everything including the QBZ-191 series?

You do remember we're right in the middle of Cold War 2.0, and it's going to escalate in the coming decade, right?

Seriously, for as much as I wish for such a tour to happen, I won't hold my breath.

Small arms are not cutting edge stuff. And by and large private US firms leads the small arms race, with the latest MG and AR competition as an example.

The real question is what incentive are there to visit. If there was an impetus/incentive to promote the quality of China small arms based on recent update/upgrades to the design and manufacturing process, then perhaps there is a chance to have Gun Jesus there.

However, while China has moved up the qualitatively, it is still behind in specialty niches and cutting edge accuracy and ergo trends based on recent ME counter insurgency experience. So, China mostly sells to developing nations, who would receive the new toys favorably compare to expiring AKMs, and they don't really watch much Forgotten Weapons.

I feel that Chinese small arms are largely a parallel universe, which somewhat mimics Western trends at 85% rate, but market it at a 50%+ discount. This trend will continue until China reaches around 2X US GDP and start to lead in soft power.
 

Tiberium

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I believe in the coming years Ian would certainly have a chance to get in touch of a QBZ-191 rifle -- of course in 556 caliber and with another designation, something like QBZ211 of sorts(just like 97). I'm pretty interested to see how a 556 191 looks like -- with magwell it would look like a weird AR.
 

MwRYum

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I believe in the coming years Ian would certainly have a chance to get in touch of a QBZ-191 rifle -- of course in 556 caliber and with another designation, something like QBZ211 of sorts(just like 97). I'm pretty interested to see how a 556 191 looks like -- with magwell it would look like a weird AR.
If go by that post somewhere else, a few years back, by the Canadian importer who deals with Type 81 import into Canada, that likely be a few years away because back then he mentioned the factory representative told him the entire Chinese arms manufacturing will be committed to the new AR series production for a few years...and if I remember correctly, we are about in the middle of that "few years" as for 2020.

Also, QBZ-191 is more akin to AK bloodline the magazine part, so there'll be some major rework at the magazine well to make it fit with STANAG magazine, like Type 97. Certainly it'd be better if NORINCO "keep it original" for their export, right up to offer 5.8mm ammo to export market but that'd too niche don't you think? For almost the whole thing is proprietary except for whatever you want to mount on the Picatinny rail.
 

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