PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

PLABUDDY said:
Pilot Varyag's capablity is 32 aircraft.

PLABuddy, I am adding the picture you requested on that other thread here too...of the potential "Heavy" PLAN CBG with a converted Kiev class added, along with a 51C:

sat_plan_hvycbg.jpg
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Su-27 Pilot said:
Your are right. The PLAN isnt that advanced in electrnic and naval warfare to build its own carrier without Russian or any foreign aids. But again, China open its market for private companys and no one knows in the future.

the sources i hear from say the general design of the ship is already being completed. aid probably would be taken from a european carrier builder, since the russians are not really that experienced in carriers. building one shouldn;t be that hard, since china has experince with large tankers and cargo vessels.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

MIGleader said:
the general design of the ship is already being completed. aid probably would be taken from a european carrier builder.

I tend to agree that some design is already in final stages (probably in addition to whatever they plan with the Varyag) and believe that they either already have...or soon will cut first steel.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
Re: Anti-Carrier Trump Card

or not telling would leave your own people in doubt and give rise to a sense of insecurity. if an advrsary didnt know, they would fire anyways.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: Anti-Carrier Trump Card

MIGleader said:
or not telling would leave your own people in doubt

Clealry, for those involved, the US forces would know. Those involved would not be left in doubt as to capabilities and any pertinent G2.
 

PLABUDDY

Junior Member
Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Jeff Head said:
PLABuddy, I am adding the picture you requested on that other thread here too...of the potential "Heavy" PLAN CBG with a converted Kiev class added, along with a 51C:

sat_plan_hvycbg.jpg

Thank you very much Jeff. I appreciate it very much. Just one thing though..should there be missiles launchers at the front of the Kiev class carrier?

Anyways thank you very much for your help.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

PLABUDDY said:
...should there be missiles launchers at the front of the Kiev class carrier

Well, I figured if the PLAN does go for refitting and modernizing the Kiev, they would have the Russians do a similar job on her as they are doing for the Gorshkov for the Indians and make it a full carrier.

Since it is all conjecture and "what if" anyway, I went ahead and depcited it that way.

In its actual life in the Russian Navy, it did have all those weapons systems forward.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: My trip to the US Navy Reserve Fleet in Bremerton, WA

Sigh...I've never had so much trouble posting in a forum..I've lost probaly 50+ post here. Then half the time the icons don't work for me?? Like right now the only thing I can do is type a post. I think it's a server problem.

Anyway..Jeff posted...""Kitty Hawk CV 63 (one of the last two remaining conventionally powered US carrier in active service) is still out there and going, I guess to be replaced by CVN 77 George Bush in 2008. Hard to believe that is only a little more than 2 years away. She'll be what? 47 years of active service at that time. What a tribute to her builders and the naval personnel operating and and maintaining her!""....

Yes the Kitty Hawk is stil going strong. One of the thinghs that keep it going is the fine work of the Japanese shipyard workers in Yokosuka.

You know it is very expensive for the USN those conventional powered ships going. Just what ship will replace the Kitty Hawk in Yokosuka is unknown. Some think it will be the JFK. Others think it will be a nuclear CVN. The move of a CVN to Japan would have to be negoiated with the Japanese government. it was erronousely reported two years ago that the US and and Japan had reached an agreement on the move of a CVN to Japan.

Personally I think the US will move the entire CVN battle group to Guam if not allowed to place a CVN in Japan. The USN also presently plans on stationing a second carrier in Guam or Hawaii.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: Anti-Carrier Trump Card

Jeff Head said:
Clealry, for those involved, the US forces would know. Those involved would not be left in doubt as to capabilities and any pertinent G2.

This brings to mind something I posted in the old forum.

Manytimes members of this forum site results of actual "War Games" and joint military excersises as proof of vuanerablities of the US Forces. I tried to point out that in some occasions that the US forces diliberatly loses these games in order to build the confidence of our allies and confuse our foes. I've seen it done more tahn once. And never did the US forces not have superior intelligence on the opposition.

A good poker player knows how to bluff.
 

FreeAsia2000

Junior Member
Re: Anti-Carrier Trump Card

bd popeye said:
This brings to mind something I posted in the old forum.

Manytimes members of this forum site results of actual "War Games" and joint military excersises as proof of vuanerablities of the US Forces. I tried to point out that in some occasions that the US forces diliberatly loses these games in order to build the confidence of our allies and confuse our foes. I've seen it done more tahn once. And never did the US forces not have superior intelligence on the opposition.

A good poker player knows how to bluff.

Ahem so that's a bit like the wargame where the US army lost the Vietnam
war...of course in real life they...ALSO LOST THE WAR !

Btw information about this wargame was revealed LONG AFTER the america
had been defeated..so how can it have been to bluff anyone ?
 
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