PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: My trip to the US Navy Reserve Fleet in Bremerton, WA

Bremerton Washington is a medium size city in Puget Sound area located in the most northwestern part of the USA. It is accross Puget Sound fron Seattle WA. There are some active ships there. One being the USS John C. Stennis CVN-74. Not all of the USN reserves are there. They are spread out along the coast of the US.

The carriers held in reserve there, Indpendence,Ranger and Constellation are not in the best of shape. I know that the Constellations catapults were removed before it was placed in reserve. All of those ships have had various major componets removed such as anchors,screws and propellers and most electronics. For the USN to re-activate one of these ships it would cost billions of dollars. They are not for sale.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Just went to China in the last few months, plenty of freedom there. The police don't stop vendors from chasing down customers, and if you don't want something stolen you better be able to look intimidating or be ready to chase down someone on their own turf. Pretty much the same as NYC, except the vendors part. In the aspect of economy China is far looser than America is. Same with politics really, until you get to the Provincial level.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

I think that the battlegroups are not gonna be integrated with 52C and 52Bs and Sovs, since by the time PLAN get their 1st carrier, all those ships would be incapable of defending the carriers!

There are some techs and ships that PLAN must possess before they're gonna get their first carrier:

-towed array sonars
-carrier capable fixed wing long range patrol and ASW planes like the Orions
-hot launch standardization on all front tier ships
-short range self defence missiles similar to ESSM, sea RAM, or Tor-M
-test proven cruise missile for land attacks
-carrier capable AWAC
-multirole or dedicated AD cruisers
-better APAR or PAR, and central computer for AD DDGs and cruisers
-medium range SAM like the Shitil adn Standard I

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

maddogy4645 said:

I think that the battlegroups are not gonna be integrated with 52C and 52Bs and Sovs, since by the time PLAN get their 1st carrier, all those ships would be incapable of defending the carriers!

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Well, as other nations go, the 52C, 52B, Sovs and 51C are very capable compared to what some of the other country's with a carrier or two have to defend their flattops.

I believe a combination of the various missile defenses (with differing missiles, differing ranges, etc.) of the 52C, 52B, and Sov would be fairly effective layered defense against AAW. All of those ships, particularly the 52B and Sov also have what amounts to good ASW defense too.

For a start for the PLAN, I believe the Varyag would be as well defended as any other nation's capabilities outside of the US, and perhpas Britian or Japan.

Re: My trip to the US Navy Reserve Fleet in Bremerton, WA

President said:

where is Bremerton, big city?Is it one of US Navy reserve port, or all navy reserves are ported there? you got a nice family and your grandson is lovely

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Thank you for the kind words about the family.

Bremerton is not too big a city, less than 100,000 easily I believe, and is across the sound from Settle (which is a lmuch larger city). Bremerton has a Naval Shipyard and some active ships ported there. There is a Naval Air Station nearby and a large sub base at Bangor/Kitsap not far from there. The reserve fleet there is just one of several anchorages along the west coast, others along the guld coast, and still others on the east coast.

Re: My trip to the US Navy Reserve Fleet in Bremerton, WA

As always popeye, thanks for the first hand knowledge.

The Constellation (CV 64) was decomissioned in 2003 and looked in the best shape. The Independence (CV 62) was decommissioned
in 1998. The Ranger (CV61) was decommissioned in 1993 and has been there the longest.

Kitty Hawk CV 63 (one of the last two remaining conventionally powered US carrier in active service) is still out there and going, I guess to be
replaced by CVN 77 George Bush in 2008. Hard to believe that is only a little more than 2 years away. She'll be what? 47 years of active
service at that time. What a tribute to her builders and the naval personnel operating and and maintaining her!

Here she is this year, pulling into Sydney:

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

the cheap way to get a cvbg is to get all the russian gear, but that wont really help experience. the plan may already be building an indegedous carrier, so what are the possibilities for it?

Re: Anti-Carrier Trump Card

In addition, I do not believe it is any kind of established fact that AEGIS cannot counter Skyval...it is just believed. The USN is not going to confirm that belief, even if they actually can counter it. They will feel that it is better to leave potential adversaries in doubt and questioning.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

MIGleader said:

the cheap way to get a cvbg is to get all the russian gear, but that wont really help experience. the plan may already be building an indegedous carrier, so what are the possibilities for it?

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I would be surprised if the PLAN plans are not already very far advanced for doing just that. My guess is that initial steel cutting has either already taken place, or soon will.

Just my opinion though.

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Jeff Head said:

I would be surprised if the PLAN plans are not already very far advanced for doing just that. My guess is that initial steel cutting has either already taken place, or soon will.

Just my opinion though.

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Your are right. The PLAN isnt that advanced in electrnic and naval warfare to build its own carrier without Russian or any foreign aids. But again, China open its market for private companys and no one knows in the future.