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defenceman

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- First thing first I am no more part of management team of PDF so I can not apply any rule on anyone ....

- PDF has allowed thread related to this Topic with Clear mention of 'Rumour' in Thread Title, so no one should blame PDF management for the claim made by some members. [PDF is not alone other Forums are also sharing this rumour]

- Those who are claiming about this [yes number of people] proved many time right in past but point which must not be ignored here is that none is directly related to the program so don't take their version as as authentic source or as first hand information, so just take note of their claim/information/rumour they could be right or may be wrong.
Hi thanks for your detailed reply back about PDF policy
thank you
 

timepass

Brigadier
TAXILA: Al-Khalid 1 Main Battle Tank (MBT), an upgraded version of the Al-Khalid MBT, developed with assistance from China and the Ukraine, inducted into the Pakistan Army's Armoured Corps at Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT)

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The Chief of Army Staff Pakistan Army today visited the HIT state-owned defense company. The COAS was invited chief guest at the handing over ceremony of Tank Al Khalid-1 to several formations of the Pakistan Army Armoured Corps. Tank Al Khalid-1 is a highly lethal, advanced and modern Main Battle Tank (MBT) and is a highly upgraded iteration of the Norinco MBT-2000 and HIT Al-Khalid MBT (of which around 450 are already in service among the 2200 tanks in the Pakistan Army Armoured Corps) designed and developed by Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) Pakistan.

44 tanks were rolled out in the first batch today with a total of 110 to be made. We are also in the final phase of production of the Al-Khalid 2, a more major update to the design.

The Al-Khalid-I is the next block for the Al-Khalid and while most of the design is Pakistani at heart, it also features a joint venture with advanced Chinese military design and Ukrainian tank engines. It is also the most highly weaponised tank by tonnage in the world. The Al-Khalid-I features several large upgrades in ammunition capacity and the main fire control computer. It can identify and targets tanks over 7 kms away with an engagement range of around 4 kms away with a rate of fire exceeding a tank shell fired every 7 seconds. It also includes an advanced electro-optical jammer system. It’s been said that it’s night fighting capabilities are some of the best in the world.

This is a huge step in military self reliance for Pakistan with many state of the art military products being developed indigenously.
COAS lauded the efforts of HIT towards attainment of self reliance and manufacturing of world class indigenous defense products, direly needed in evolving security environment. Reiterating the need for bolstering defence and operational preparedness. COAS said that our defence preparation and operational readiness is to ensure peace within and peace without. However, if provoked, we shall respond and respond with all our might.

During the induction ceremony Tank Al Khalid-1 displayed some of its capabilities including outstanding mobility, speed, bi-axis gun stabilization on an advanced control system and fired a smoke screen to mask movement.
 

timepass

Brigadier
Guys .... since yesterday Pakistani local media is reporting the rumors of J10Cs induction in PAF in coming months.....even there are some rumors from PAF circles too .... post Indian Rafale scenario....

Anyone have any idea....
 

plawolf

Brigadier
Well, J10Cs for Pakistan was always a matter of funding priorities on the PAF side. Maybe they found the funds, or maybe Indian idiocy lately has made Beijing decided that a few billion dollars of military aid in the form of J10Cs to Pakistan is a nice F you to the Indians.

I think if this is indeed what happened, then there are more long term geopolitical seeds being planted.

I have always advocated J10s for the PAF because it would allow for massive PLAAF direct intervention in the event of a major conflict between India and Pakistan without overtly participating.

PLAAF frontline J10 units could become ‘PAF’ units with a simple patch swap and engage in direct combat within Pakistani territory almost immediately upon relocating to Pakistani air bases.

Indian actions and attitudes lately would have given Beijing little doubt about their intensions, and with the US becoming more unpredictable and aggressive than ever as Trump looks more and more likely to loose in November, China needs to pay more attention to its western boarder, as there can be no doubt that India is just itching to pile in and stab China in the back as soon as America makes any direct military attacks.

If India attacks China directly, then China will hold them off while it focuses on America, and once America is driven off, China will turn its full might on India.

But if India instead decides to invade Pakistan to try to annex Kashmir, that would put China in a tough spot as it does not want a two front war.

In that situation, China may wish to help Pakistan by deploying PLAAF J10 units to Pakistan to fight in Pakistani colours rather than directly attack India.

If Beijing feels the risk environment is adverse enough, a few billion dollars’ worth of J10s for the PAF would be a worthy insurance policy to give Beijing maximum options in the event Modi does follow Trump’s lead like Mussolini to Hitler’s.
 

timepass

Brigadier
Well, J10Cs for Pakistan was always a matter of funding priorities on the PAF side. Maybe they found the funds, or maybe Indian idiocy lately has made Beijing decided that a few billion dollars of military aid in the form of J10Cs to Pakistan is a nice F you to the Indians.

I think if this is indeed what happened, then there are more long term geopolitical seeds being planted.

I have always advocated J10s for the PAF because it would allow for massive PLAAF direct intervention in the event of a major conflict between India and Pakistan without overtly participating.

PLAAF frontline J10 units could become ‘PAF’ units with a simple patch swap and engage in direct combat within Pakistani territory almost immediately upon relocating to Pakistani air bases.

Indian actions and attitudes lately would have given Beijing little doubt about their intensions, and with the US becoming more unpredictable and aggressive than ever as Trump looks more and more likely to loose in November, China needs to pay more attention to its western boarder, as there can be no doubt that India is just itching to pile in and stab China in the back as soon as America makes any direct military attacks.

If India attacks China directly, then China will hold them off while it focuses on America, and once America is driven off, China will turn its full might on India.

But if India instead decides to invade Pakistan to try to annex Kashmir, that would put China in a tough spot as it does not want a two front war.

In that situation, China may wish to help Pakistan by deploying PLAAF J10 units to Pakistan to fight in Pakistani colours rather than directly attack India.

If Beijing feels the risk environment is adverse enough, a few billion dollars’ worth of J10s for the PAF would be a worthy insurance policy to give Beijing maximum options in the event Modi does follow Trump’s lead like Mussolini to Hitler’s.
But.... J10C will not bring any major leap in PAF other then range as JF17 - blk3 are having all the necessary toys ..... however, if J10 can offer the following then it will defiantly complement PAF...
  • More Powerful Power plant
  • CFTs
  • Wingtip hard points
Remember PAF hold/Canceled the deal (36 - FC20s) which was inked in 2010 by Musharaf, citing the above reasons + Indian MRCA acquisitions (at that time).
 

siegecrossbow

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I still think that a token force of FC-31 will tilt the balance for Pakistan far more than the J-10B/C would. Now that China is investing in the plane in earnest after selecting it as the next generation naval fighter, I think there is a much higher chance of a deal.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
I still think that a token force of FC-31 will tilt the balance for Pakistan far more than the J-10B/C would. Now that China is investing in the plane in earnest after selecting it as the next generation naval fighter, I think there is a much higher chance of a deal.
Using the FC-31 as a basis for a next-generation naval fighter is different from directly injecting cash into the FC-31 program. So unless the PLAAF goes for the FC-31 the development of the J-35 won't have too much of an impact on its appeal to the PAF.

The closest Chinese combat aircraft to the Rafale is still the J-10C, and it also happens to be the only newer-generation platform available for export other than the FC-31.
 

siegecrossbow

Brigadier
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Using the FC-31 as a basis for a next-generation naval fighter is different from directly injecting cash into the FC-31 program. So unless the PLAAF goes for the FC-31 the development of the J-35 won't have too much of an impact on its appeal to the PAF.

The closest Chinese combat aircraft to the Rafale is still the J-10C, and it also happens to be the only newer-generation platform available for export other than the FC-31.
But the J-10C is, at best, the same generation as the Rafale and doesn't really bring anything revolutionary to the PAF especially with the JF-17 block III gaining AESA and possibly PL-15.
 

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