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Pakistan Proceeds With New Miniature Submarine

The Pakistan Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) listed the development and construction of a miniature submarine as a target for 2016-2017.

This may be related to talks in 2016 between the Pakistan Navy and the Turkish defence vendor Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. (STM) for the joint development of a mini-submarine to supplant the Pakistan Navy’s aging Cosmos MG110 (SX756/W) mini-submarines.

The Cosmos MG110 displaces 119 tons submerged. It can carry eight special operation forces (SOF) divers and two swimmer delivery vehicles (SDV). The MG110s were bought in the 1980s to replace the SX404 mini-submarines.

According to MSI Turkish Defence Review, Pakistan and STM had studied the feasibility of upgrading the MG110s, but both sides concluded that this was not an affordable route.

Subsequently, STM proposed “designing a submarine platform from scratch,” which – if inked – would be considered a “different and strategic” collaborative effort between the two countries.

Turkish shipbuilder Yonca-Onuk is proposing its Underwater Offensive Team boat.



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Aliusman

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Pakistan has stationed all its Mirage squadron in Rafiqui base in Shorkot except 7th squadron (Bandits) with Mirage ROSE-1.

The last mirage squadron to move from Karachi was No.22 (OCU) Ghazis squadron. IMO its being done for ease of maintenance and to keep all bomber pilots together for better training. Here is link as proof for the deployment. Another interesting development is that 3 out of 4 F-16 squadrons are now under Southern Air Command. I guess PAF estimates threat is strong from the south. Northern Air Command has the most JF-17 squadrons.

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Dizasta1

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In my view, Pakistan Army Aviation should not have selected T-129 helicopter gunships, at all. The fact that a major component manufacturer, i.e the power plant for the helo, Rolls-Royce/Honeywell, pulled out of it's commitment on supplying Turkey the engines. America has imposed sanctions on Turkey because the latter has pursued independent defense procurement policy, by purchasing Russian S-400 Air Defense Systems. The argument put forth by America, was that F-35s which were to be operated by Turkey, were somehow subject security threat by the S-400s, also operated by Turkey. For this reason, Turkey will no longer receive any of the F-35s it was looking to purchase and was a contributor (financial) toward the Joint Strike Fighter program.

Revoking sale and participation of Turkey in the JSF/F-35 program was one thing. But to block the supply of helicopter engines is something different altogether. To an outsider, it almost seems like America has managed to "kill two birds with one stone" punishing both Pakistan and Turkey in one go. Turkey is NATO member state and Pakistan is a major contributor in America's so-called "War on Terror" as well as (apparently so) a Major Non-NATO Ally. If Turkey, being a NATO member state can be treated this way. Then Pakistan ought stay well clear of an procurement from America or it's partner nations. As it is clear for all to see, no country, NATO member or not, MNNA or not, European or not, can and will be punished by America, if any refuse to tow the line.

American sanctions on Turkey has put the entire $1.5 billion deal, in jeopardy. And Pakistan ought to have learnt from past experiences, not to trust Western suppliers as highly unreliable. Be it the F-16 fighter-jets' fiasco, where aircraft that were bought and paid for, we never delivered to Pakistan due to American sanctions. Or be it the sale of AH-1Z helicopters, that were purchased and are now languishing in the so-called "boneyard" due to yet more American sanctions. Pakistan ought to cancel the deal altogether and should pursue options with Russia or China. At least with these two countries, Pakistan doesn't need to fear any sanctions or any other absurdity.
 

maint1234

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Unless you are ready to accept inferior quality equipment from china, manufacturing runs on a global supply chain. The steel can be from one country, the bearings from another , the PCBs from a third, because it's very uneconomical to manufacture everything inhouse for small lots. Engineers source most of the parts from a handful of quality manufacturers. While buying cheap equipment from china, we specify the critical parts which would come from MNCs and not from Chinese companies. Where we do not , we have suffered.
 

vincent

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Unless you are ready to accept inferior quality equipment from china, manufacturing runs on a global supply chain. The steel can be from one country, the bearings from another , the PCBs from a third, because it's very uneconomical to manufacture everything inhouse for small lots. Engineers source most of the parts from a handful of quality manufacturers. While buying cheap equipment from china, we specify the critical parts which would come from MNCs and not from Chinese companies. Where we do not , we have suffered.
Is that why majority of the system on Tejas are imported from Western countries?
 
Unless you are ready to accept inferior quality equipment from china, manufacturing runs on a global supply chain. The steel can be from one country, the bearings from another , the PCBs from a third, because it's very uneconomical to manufacture everything inhouse for small lots. Engineers source most of the parts from a handful of quality manufacturers. While buying cheap equipment from china, we specify the critical parts which would come from MNCs and not from Chinese companies. Where we do not , we have suffered.
I'm sorry, did you buy your lunar lander from China? Your military equipment from China during the recent Pak-beatdown you received? Or are you saying you got colonized because you bought your swords and shields from China?

Cus every piece of equipment from a $1 battery to a multi-million dollar rocket launch, China always produces the best quality for your buck, to the best quality in the world. That's why Chinese manufacturing's world famous as number one. But China's moving out of low-end manufacturing; perhaps India could pick up a bit of the weight... if it doesn't crush you into the ground LOL
 

maint1234

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Is that why majority of the system on Tejas are imported from Western countries?
Exactly. We could have bought from china but even Pakistan buys not so reliable russian engines rather than Chinese ones for its jf17. Whether you like it or not , Americans and the french(European) equipment is highly reliable as compared to Russian, Chinese are not even in the running. And chinese engineers are fully aware of this , I am not trying to convince a keyboard warrior.
On topic, why are the Pakistanis not buying the helios from China and sticking with turkey , a NATO customer ?
Google what make bearings are the high speed trains in china still using ? All MNC brands. Till 160 kmph , chinese bearings are trialed. Similarly many other equipments in your signaling and control. China is trying but copying cant make you cutting edge. A strong base is required from.many disciplines.
 

maint1234

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I'm sorry, did you buy your lunar lander from China? Your military equipment from China during the recent Pak-beatdown you received? Or are you saying you got colonized because you bought your swords and shields from China?

Cus every piece of equipment from a $1 battery to a multi-million dollar rocket launch, China always produces the best quality for your buck, to the best quality in the world. That's why Chinese manufacturing's world famous as number one. But China's moving out of low-end manufacturing; perhaps India could pick up a bit of the weight... if it doesn't crush you into the ground LOL
You are a Hyper nationalist. Grow up. The topic is Pakistan buying helios from turkey and not branching to China. Unfortunately I cant report you.
 
You are a Hyper nationalist. Grow up. The topic is Pakistan buying helios from turkey and not branching to China. Unfortunately I cant report you.
Can't fault me for that; there's too much to be proud of with more everyday! It's a full time job keeping up with the news on China's developments. I'm so busy trying to read all of it I can't even be bothered to make fun of insignificant countries like India unless one comes up asking for it! I'm more proud the more up I grow; maybe growing old can dull my zest.

So every time someone doesn't buy something from China, that means Chinese quality is inferior... so... every time someone does buy something from China, it means Chinese quality is superior, right? LOL What country exports the most in the world? I'm not saying this is necessarily always correct because of political issues but you can take some time and then tell me if you wanna continue along that logic ;)
 
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