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ITER investment by the Chinese was a great choice

It opened the doors to advanced Fusion research to the Chinese (for a hefty fee ofc..).

ITER still remains very much relevant. The Chinese who take part in ITER can have the latest experimental data available to them, exchange ideas with other scientists, test new things in a program where the cost is shared by many countries and allow technology and research to flow to China by having domestic companies producing ITER-components

All these new developments by China on fusion are primarily because of the insights and technology (and the the scientists who gained experience) they gained in working on ITER.

If China goes all alone for fusion then good luck, this problem needs international collaboration.
To give an example, just some weeks ago the British actually managed to developed a way to dramatically reduce the exhaust temperature to "only" 300 degrees Celsius

Ofc China is now leading on fusion because the Gov is not afraid of investing money on this critical technology (wise choice CPC, thanks)

Oh dang I didn't know they were pushing fusion. From everything I've seen in reporting here it's kind of fallen by the wayside. Hopethey can help pull the world in to the future.

latenlazy said:

On the contrary, it was been seriously pursued for decades.

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. The project started in 1988, so the cost over the 32 years is about €0.7 billion a year. That is nothing; . The world invests many times the ITER cost in just the search for fossil fuels. Fusion has NOT been seriously funded.

I agree with @krautmeister that ITER will probably fail, but for a different reason. I think they went big too soon, decades too soon. Fusion research should have gone in hundreds of different directions, in hundreds of small and cheap experiments, like China's EAST. Instead, the world chose one gigantic, costly design and killed the rest, and therefore wasted much time.

I think ITER was intended to fail and allow the fossil fuel industry to profit for longer.

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. The project started in 1988, so the cost over the 32 years is about €0.7 billion a year. That is nothing;

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. The world invests many times the ITER cost in just the search for fossil fuels. Fusion has NOT been seriously funded.

I agree with @krautmeister that ITER will probably fail, but for a different reason. I think they went big too soon, decades too soon. Fusion research should have gone in hundreds of different directions, in hundreds of small and cheap experiments, like China's EAST. Instead, the world chose one gigantic, costly design and killed the rest, and therefore wasted much time.

I think ITER was intended to fail and allow the fossil fuel industry to profit for longer.

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You can't spend more money to build more elaborate machines if you're not sure what to build, because the science and engineering knowledge isn't there. Fusion, *has* gone in a hundred different directions, in hundreds of small and cheap experiments. That's why trying to analyze how much work has been done on it just by looking at ITER's budget is not a good measure for how much work has been done. ITER is a necessary step to try to integrate all that research closer towards an actual working machine. That doesn't mean it'll succeed, but it's not meant to. The point of ITER, contrary to media reporting, isn't to make the realization of a working fusion instrument an open and shut case. While that may be the ideal hope, the primary objective is to try to replicate sustained burn conditions in ideally above break even outputs, and study what further factors and dynamics need to be accounted for to get to a usable reactor. The people who are most aggressive about how quickly we can get to fusion are the people who gawk at each new headline rather than those who work on the actual technology.

latenlazy said:

You can't spend more money to build more elaborate machines if you're not sure what to build, because the science and engineering knowledge isn't there.

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That's precisely why I said "Fusion research should have gone in hundreds of different directions, in hundreds of small and cheap experiments, like China's EAST".

First discover which of the zillion possible designs will work. Then build the big facility.

The world did exactly the reverse with ITER.

Fusion, *has* gone in a hundred different directions, in hundreds of small and cheap experiments.

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Then the world needs to do hundreds more cheap experiments. I like the new possibility of using Chirped Pulse Amplification (and petawatt or exawatt lasers) to induce fusion. Maybe it will work. But we won't know until we try.

Nutrient said:

That's precisely why I said "Fusion research should have gone in hundreds of different directions, in hundreds of small and cheap experiments, like China's EAST".

First discover which of the zillion possible designs will work. Then build the big facility.

The world did exactly the reverse with ITER.



Then the world needs to do hundreds more cheap experiments. I like the new possibility of using Chirped Pulse Amplification (and petawatt or exawatt lasers) to induce fusion. Maybe it will work. But we won't know until we try.

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Technological development isn’t just about exploring every possible subset phenomena. At some point you need to do work that synthesizes and integrates multiple discoveries into some form of implementation. The more complex the system the more the complex interactions of different subset phenomena become bottlenecks for progress. Projects like ITER are absolutely essential for work on higher layers of complexity. Designs aren’t “discovered”, but *developed*.

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This is very impressive

Huawei exceeded my expectations with its HarmonyOS. Their easy IoT management system ("Super-Device") and their Service Center system are incredible

Huawei is truly on the vanguard of something new here. From so many of their new technologies just shown here I also noticed some very obvious monetisation opportunities which will rain Huawei with a lot of money

What a company, unbelievable

4000+ platforms....