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Tyler

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India would've been pro West because they were conquered. The only reason why they get any attention is because of China. If there was no rise of China, these countries would be seen as Third World sh*tholes. The only reason why they even dared to see a bright future for India was because if China was doing well, India would have to do better because they spoke English and was a democracy and followed so-called Western values. Americans didn't even know Korea existed let alone Vietnam until they went to war in those countries.

The West isn't going to recognized that they wouldn't have cared about human rights if it weren't for the 1949 communist revolution in China. They were scared poopless that the rest of the world was going the same way. The Soviet Union wanted a world revolution against Western colonialism. They had a hard time selling it to the world because Russia was a colonial power. Then 1949 happened and China was smuggling weapons and money around the world to carry out that plan. China didn't care if people wanted communism or not just as long you fought against the West. That's why China was seen as worse than the Soviet Union during the early part of the Cold War. Any insurrection in their colonies they believed China was behind it. They were paranoid over it. The only reason why the West cares about human rights is because of China because if they didn't, they would've lost their colonies in a revolution.
China should rapidly improve its English language skills. There is no reason that these Indians are allowed to brag about their accented English. Japan and Korea do not have very high English language skills, and yet they are way more prosperous than the Indians.
 

krautmeister

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It's only seen as harder because aerospace has had heavy R&D for almost a century whereas fusion is "relatively" new and seriously underfunded in comparison. Once significant net power fusion is solved in several decades, then it will be considered "easy" in hindsight.
Fusion has been researched since the 1940s. Over 70 years already. It is damn hard.
I said "relatively" as in relative to aerospace which started 40 years earlier and has had easily at least 30+ times more R&D money than fusion research. When the aerospace era started, there was an almost immediate technological race from the get go. There was literally nearly non-stop high intensity military and commercial competition from 1910s to the present. By contract, fusion research was an experimental science for the first 20 years and it was only from the 1960s where serious work began. Fusion is definitely hard, since we aren't anywhere near success. However, I think if it had the political will and BIG money backing it from 60 years back, it wouldn't be the weird science thing that it still is.
 

krautmeister

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That is nothing strange at all. People and country live for today and tomorrow, NOT the past. "apology and reconciliation" are only the starting point for the future. If the two are at a good starting point, apology will be accepted as sincere. If the two do not share a future, there won't be apology, even if there is, it won't be sincere. Vietnam (and any other sample) does what it does (with U.S.) for its future. It "forgive" U.S. to counter China. It called China "brother" in the 60s to fight the U.S.

So as I have said, "apology" is just a word, what weight it can carry is totally something else.
I think this is subjective depending on the situation. There are things where yes you will have bygones be bygones. However, there is a line, that line is VERY THICK, but if that line is crossed, it becomes a deeply personal thing on a national level that stays with the population long term. You see this when you have governments keep those memories alive in their future generations "to remember". It's not always just about propaganda or strategic advantage. For those who know what this means, there is no need to explain. For those who don't, you hear excuses and reasons why this or that, but they really just don't get it.
 

antiterror13

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I said "relatively" as in relative to aerospace which started 40 years earlier and has had easily at least 30+ times more R&D money than fusion research. When the aerospace era started, there was an almost immediate technological race from the get go. There was literally nearly non-stop high intensity military and commercial competition from 1910s to the present. By contract, fusion research was an experimental science for the first 20 years and it was only from the 1960s where serious work began. Fusion is definitely hard, since we aren't anywhere near success. However, I think if it had the political will and BIG money backing it from 60 years back, it wouldn't be the weird science thing that it still is.

The big issue here is the huge lobby from oil and gas industry with deep pocket, they do not want Fusion become reality too soon

Imagine if we had Fusion now ....... what would happen to energy sector, especially oil and gas ?
 

krautmeister

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The big issue here is the huge lobby from oil and gas industry with deep pocket, they do not want Fusion become reality too soon

Imagine if we had Fusion now ....... what would happen to energy sector, especially oil and gas ?
I wouldn't be surprised that some vested interests would kill fusion even if it were here now. This has happened so many times through history. Thorium reactors were one of those high potential technologies that was killed because the military wanted the nuclear industry based around the uranium fuel cycle, since it is better suited towards making weapons. So, the Oak Ridge Thorium reactor that was the basis of today's LFTR Thorium reactor research was quietly killed off even though it presented a FAR SAFER, cheaper and sustainable fission technology. IF that didn't happen, it is very likely the entire nuclear industry would have been replaced wholesale by Thorium Molten Salt Reactors.
 

antiterror13

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I wouldn't be surprised that some vested interests would kill fusion even if it were here now. This has happened so many times through history. Thorium reactors were one of those high potential technologies that was killed because the military wanted the nuclear industry based around the uranium fuel cycle, since it is better suited towards making weapons. So, the Oak Ridge Thorium reactor that was the basis of today's LFTR Thorium reactor research was quietly killed off even though it presented a FAR SAFER, cheaper and sustainable fission technology. IF that didn't happen, it is very likely the entire nuclear industry would have been replaced wholesale by Thorium Molten Salt Reactors.

Exactly and the irony is that China likely will mass produced Thorium Molten Salt Reactors ;)
 

gelgoog

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I said "relatively" as in relative to aerospace which started 40 years earlier and has had easily at least 30+ times more R&D money than fusion research. When the aerospace era started, there was an almost immediate technological race from the get go. There was literally nearly non-stop high intensity military and commercial competition from 1910s to the present. By contract, fusion research was an experimental science for the first 20 years and it was only from the 1960s where serious work began. Fusion is definitely hard, since we aren't anywhere near success. However, I think if it had the political will and BIG money backing it from 60 years back, it wouldn't be the weird science thing that it still is.

It took way less investment to get airplanes to work. The Wright Brothers had a bicycle manufacturing shop and were able to make one.
Huge amounts of capital have been spent on fusion and still it is nowhere near viable. The National Ignition Facility in the US, for example, cost over $3.5 billion USD. ITER is supposed to cost $22 billion USD to build.
 

siegecrossbow

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China should rapidly improve its English language skills. There is no reason that these Indians are allowed to brag about their accented English. Japan and Korea do not have very high English language skills, and yet they are way more prosperous than the Indians.

Only way to do that would be 200+ years of colonization by an English speaking power. I don't think anyone in China wants that.
 

voyager1

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Wow!
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A Chinese physicist has said that a new wind tunnel in Beijing to be unveiled “soon” will put China decades ahead of the rest of the world in hypersonic technology.
the JF-22 wind tunnel, in Beijing’s Huairou district, was capable of simulating flights at up to 10km per second – 30 times the speed of sound. Together with an existing facility, also in Beijing, it would put China “about 20 to 30 years ahead” of the West.
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Han said the power produced by the JF-22 wind tunnel would reach 15 gigawatts – nearly 70 per cent of the installed capacity of the world’s largest hydropower station Three Gorges Dam in China’s southwestern Sichuan province, or more than seven times the Hoover Dam in Nevada.
This is crazy

LENS II, the most advanced wind tunnel in the US, has simulated flights up to Mach 7, with the simulation lasting 30 milliseconds. In contrast, the JF-22’s average runtime could reach 130 milliseconds, with a much higher top speed, Han said.
“Our experiment time is much longer than theirs, so the aircraft model can be larger than theirs, and the experiments can be more advanced than theirs. This determines our leading position in the world.”

Yeah this is definetely for the military section but I dont know where exactly..
 
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krautmeister

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It took way less investment to get airplanes to work. The Wright Brothers had a bicycle manufacturing shop and were able to make one.
Huge amounts of capital have been spent on fusion and still it is nowhere near viable. The National Ignition Facility in the US, for example, cost over $3.5 billion USD. ITER is supposed to cost $22 billion USD to build.
I think you're being facetious comparing the 1st biplane to fusion. Fusion is the evolution of a long list of scientific milestones just like in aerospace. The better relative comparison would be ceramic matrix composite engine research if you are going to make comparisons like this. Nobody said fusion is a cakewalk, but when it happens, they will look back in hindsight and say it was actually easier than they are saying now. There is no comparison whatsoever in terms of research dollars going into fusion research. ITER is the only large scale spend that crossed into the tens of billions and that plan only happened after 2000 and the bulk of the spending hasn't even happened yet. The aerospace industry had huge R&D starting from almost the very beginning a hundred years ago and it was a literal tech "race" during the Cold War days. There is nothing driving fusion research other than the scientific establishment doing research.

Imo, nuclear power should move in the direction of MSR Thorium reactors. It's an easier and cheaper alternative that can be commercialized at scale in 15-20 years.
 
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