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Can we start a specific thread for semiconductor/lithography development? I feel like this thread was too wide-range of topic discussion.
News on China's scientific and technological development.
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solarz
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LOL, like I said, no understanding of Chinese culture.
Marjor religions in Europe are Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. All of which share the same root of Abrahamic religions.
Major religions in China are Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, and Christianity. Buddhism is from India, Taoism is Chinese, and Islam and Christianity are Abrahamic.
European languages fall into a few major groups: Romance, Germanic, and Slavic. Within those groups, the differences between various languages are comparable to different Chinese dialects.
In China, Mandarin is the official language, but every region has its own dialect. Some are mutually intelligible with Mandarin, others sound completely alien. In addition to the Han dialects, each of the 55 minority nationalities have their own distinct language. Most prominently, we have Mongolian, Tibetan, Uighur, and Korean. (Prominent as in gets most media exposure, not necessarily spoken by the most people).
Politically, China has everything from direct democracy in villages, representative democracy in the National People's Congress, to full meritocracy in the Communist Party.
Current European prominence in social and legal structure has only existed for two hundred years. Before that, Europe was mired in a Dark Age for more than a thousand years. Meanwhile, Chinese civilization has existed for more than 5000 years. When we were building the Great Wall, most of Europe was populated by barbarian tribes.
The current discussion isn’t even about semiconductor/lithography development tbh. It’s purely griping about tech geopolitics between China and the US.
Europe has more international software than any other region besides the US and China. Such as
- Telegram messaging app, originally created in Europe
- Yandex search engine
- Bolt ridesharing app
- Protonmail email service
- TomTom mapping service
- Dailymotion video service
- Vivaldi browser
- Linux OS (originated in Europe)
Compared to Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. it certainly has more. What is impressive about Europe? It does all this without a protected market. Most Chinese software companies are only successful due to a protected market. There's really no telling how well they would have done if the market was not totally protected. Europe is #2 in the world in terms of software/social media outside their own market while not having a protected market.
As a Chinese American, I can more easily use European software than any other non-American software.
The only reason China has software companies is due to the domestic market. It has nothing available for the international market, except maybe UC Browser in Indonesia and TikTok whose future is in question to say the least. Further, using European software is safer since Europe maintained good relations with the US, it's less likely to get banned if it's successful.
If you are an entrepreneur in China, if you want to develop software for the international market, it has to go on the App Store or GPS. You will realize there is the threat of being banned, and this will be a de-motivating factor. The rewards for you will be lower than entrepreneurs in other countries. That puts you at a disadvantage. You have to consider politics, they don't. If you develop only for the domestic market, then you have a lower ceiling on revenue than other software companies. Again, that puts you at a disadvantage. Further, you face less competitive pressures due to only competing in a protected market. While that may feel good at first, over the long run it will only result in tolerance for a lower quality product, which is not good.
AssassinsMace
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You're funny. You think because Chinese software is for domestic purposes that's a bad thing. We've already seen what Trump is doing with Chinese apps translated for English audiences. And you want to interpret that as China's fault...? It's the West upset at China rising because they don't need English meaning they don't recognize the West as the only thing that counts. The reason why China is the second most powerful country in the world is because it doesn't think like you where you need Western acceptance in order feel like you're of value. What accomplished have you made to think you're superior to all the Chinese that don't think like you do? Let me guess... You think China should surrender to the US in all things then you say China has done good. Indians use to say that they had an advantage over China because they wrote the programming for English software. They ain't writing it for China because they don't know Chinese. I don't see India as powering forward like China is doing.
there is nothing impressive about self-inflicted wound/ self handicaps. In fact, it's the hallmark of losers to do so.
I'm not saying it's China's "fault". All I care about is power and success. I want China to have it. In order to have it, it needs a successful tech industry leading the world. In order to have that, it must be able to compete in international markets because those have revenues and their competition will keep Chinese companies on the cutting edge.
I don't understand the viewpoint that it's somehow pro-China to simply come on a message board like this and say stuff like "everything is great." Then what's the point? If you have no weaknesses, then the battle is already won, no need to think about any of these questions. Then go play video games. But the reality is everyone can improve. If you ask me, there needs to be self-criticism or you can't advance.
One of the things about the U.S. you notice is that even when they are secure at the top, and the most advanced, they will always look as hard as they can for any weaknesses or threats to their position, no matter how remote, to stamp them out. They are always looking for their own weaknesses and criticizing themselves. That is how they have stayed on top for so long.
your suggestions are a bunch of BS and frankly reek of loser's mentality. "Huawei is in trouble because of sanction therefore their strategy is wrong!!!" LMAO
The US only reacted this way because of FEAR. They are losing and they know it. There is no reason to change the winning formulas. China should keep twisting the knife and if worst to come you and your family will be attacked on the street due to rising racism. But that's a sacrifice we are willing to make.
The virus + Ginsburg death which will cause social unrest once the GOP forces the like of Tom Cotton to the SCOTUS are signs from heaven.
Or shall I say in your "Chinese American" tongue: God Bless China.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
The power to beg? Success at crippling oneself to please a nemesis? LOL Come on, the jig is up. Go back to your team or side or whatever. You're not fooling anybody here.
People who want China to succeed point out criticism and ways to improve using Chinese power. They don't tell China it's over; just give up and ascribe to being someone's vassal especially with so much innovation being spurred and things moving so quickly in China due to this stimuli. I'm nothing but excited to see what Chinese minds can really do when it's do or die. Constructive criticism is welcome; your highly misplaced defeatism is welcome nowhere by no one.
Not really; if the US were ten feet tall as you say, it would have seen China's rise and started this 10 years or more ago. Now, only seeing the coffin of American hegemony being crafted do they scramble to attack a challenger when it has already become powerful enough to defend itself.
Your examples of software companies is grasping at straws.
All those European companies have been comprehensively eclipsed.
European software companies tend to be bought by their larger American companies, or beaten into bankruptcy or insignificance because a US company can use funding from a single large US market to attack their smaller rivals in a fragmented European market.
Linux doesn't qualify as no country *owns* Linux.
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