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Petrolicious88

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Actually, I would say it is about China developing the best tech, in this case chips. Global competition will take care of the ban issues, the biggest problem for tech companies is being ‘out-teched’.

For example, server CPU, if China for one reason or another developed a server CPU, with low heat, greater efficiency and at the same price as the current chips, you can be sure that no ban/sanction on this earth will keep data centres from using the CPU, since competitors using the CPU would be able to provide prices that are unbeatable, simply by saving on the air con needed to keep the server blocks from going up in smoke.
It’s not good enough to have the best tech. Huawei has the best 5G with the lowest power consumption, best reliability, and cheapest price. Yet the US still managed to severely disrupt its business across multiple countries even before the chip ban.
 

Mt1701d

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It’s not good enough to have the best tech. Huawei has the best 5G with the lowest power consumption, best reliability, and cheapest price. Yet the US still managed to severely disrupt its business across multiple countries even before the chip ban.
That’s true and you have a point, but I think this we need to examine more than just saying best tech, as the effects this best tech have would be relative. Huawei may have the best 5G network gear but the alternative is not prohibitive enough, or in other words not ‘best’ enough as it were, and the number of people affected by not using this best tech is relatively low.

The main group affected by the 5G ban/disruptions are rural areas where the big networks don’t or can’t or financially unfeasible to reach, otherwise the cost bearers for the 5G infrastructure are the limited numbers of various major telecoms companies operating in specific countries, or in other words isolated markets, thus political pressure outweighs the ‘best tech’-ness of cheaper Huawei gear. Think about it, the effects on global competitiveness to the customers of the 5G gear (Telecoms companies) is relatively isolated, a telecoms company operating in the US is not exactly in direct competition with a telecoms company operating in China for example.

Should the ‘best tech’-ness of the tech in question be large enough that the alternative is prohibitive enough to the point that it will affect the global competitiveness of major corporations then there will be no ban/sanction that can stop it. Using the server CPU as example again, the affected parties/customers of the server CPU would be a huge group MNCs and people, we are talking about the all data centres and private servers in the world regardless of borders effectively the entire internet ecosystem, the political weight you can apply in this case would be vastly different, and it will affect the global competitiveness of the MNCs, we are talking the likes Amazon (AWS), Google (various services), Facebook (All of it services), Apple (Cloud) and Microsoft (office + cloud) level companies, just to name a few, in the tech sector where it is not an isolated market. You can make the argument that well the government can just demand like now and require data centres in the country, well yea but any of these companies could potentially divert major investments elsewhere, would countries other than the US risk that, and I would argue that even US might not risk it.
 

Chish

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Despite all the news about China's technological development, China still has a way to go. Still behind Japan in R&D spending. Hopefully this is in nominal prices, which would mean that China is closer than shown here.
Spending alone on R&D does not show the whole picture on tech situation of a country.
There are so many variables. Types or natures of tech, cost efficiency of money spend, efficient educational institutions, and the priorities of every country's technologies are different. The situations keep changing. A small country with less spending is not necessary less developed than bigger and richer countries. Ask the Israel or Singapore.
 

Chish

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China can develop its own chips. The west will simply ban it. You can only sell it in china’s and a few developing countries. Then what.
Then China will continues to develop even better chips , at least China and others do not have to depend on Western goodwill on its tech progress. Even with the present rate of China progress, the world's tech is going to be more balanced. Banning commercial tech is becoming less relevant in the future, even self defeating. Countries now have the luxury of more choices .
 

10thman

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Taking a spin in Didi's new driverless taxis

Ever since the first licenses for testing driverless cars were issued in Shanghai in 2018, dozens of companies have set up shop in Jiading District, where a 53.6-kilometer stretch of test road allows AI-driven cars to take to the streets. But there's a catch: they're still not allowed to operate without a human behind the wheel, although that's just a small issue for the multitude of companies testing these vehicles on the streets.

In 2016, the first-ever AI vehicle testing zone approved by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology officially opened here in Shanghai, opening the gates for domestic and international companies to hone their skills and make the future come to life.

And it really is quite a sight out in Jiading, as dozens of intelligent cars with spinning radars and throngs of cameras — from multiple companies — zip by. The locals don’t seem to bat an eyelid, and a staff member from Didi gave me a bit of a strange look when I asked him if anyone has exhibited terrified looks on their faces as they zoom around.

One such company, ride-hailing app Didi, is now offering free rides for members of the public who want to check out the technology first-hand, as long as their origin and destination are inside the 65-square-kilometer test zone.
 

ansy1968

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Wow !!! Huawei is in software business big time, Is Harmony OS operational?

from cnTechPost

Huawei exec says EMUI 11 will bring surprise with Q3 rollout
2020-07-05 20:40:13 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei exec says EMUI 11 will bring surprise with Q3 rollout-cnTechPost

Wang Chengluo, president of Huawei's Consumer Business Software Division, said yesterday that EMUI 11 will be released in the third quarter of this year.

Wang said that EMUI 11 will bring surprises, but did not disclose specific details.

He said that the direction of EMUI 11 is to further enable the distributed technology for various application scenarios, and there will be a lot of different features of EMUI 11.
At the 2019 Huawei Developer Conference, Huawei released the EMUI 10 system, which uses distributed technology.
Specific performance application scenarios include mobile phones that can see the drone footage in real-time, and mobile phone interfaces that can be displayed on laptops.


Overall, Huawei's distributed technology can create a "super device" that allows information to flow seamlessly between multiple terminals, each terminal The capabilities between them are shared and peripheral to each other.
For the application, it is like running on the same terminal.
 

ansy1968

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Hi Petrolicious88

See the result of indiscriminate use of sanction, they will be force to innovate and create a product to compete with you. Who will be the loser? their rational of China cant innovate is busted. LoL :cool:
 

ansy1968

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Thought you guys may be interested in this breaking news.

SMIC to raise 46.3b yuan in Shanghai share sale

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Hi Dolcevita

great news indeed.

If I can borrow the lines of King Theoden of Rohan from the LORDS of the RING, so it begins.

Foreign investment funds has great confidence in SMIC, I think Goldman Sachs had a favorable view too.
GO GO GO SMIC!!! in 5 years time ,hopefully we may be behind TSMC by at least 1 generation at most , but maybe in parity with Intel.
 

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