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BlackWindMnt

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If Huawei wants to succeed with the Harmony OS, they need to better than Android in some capacity. If Harmony OS wants to be better than Android in some capacity, then it cannot afford to be just an Android fork.

Ecosystem creation is not that big of a problem, you just need to throw money at it. Anything that can be solved with money is not a big problem.
Creating a ecosystem actually is a really hard problem, Microsoft grabbed deep in their war chest to make it happen and failed.

You're asking developers to reallocate resources from a money making platform to a unproven platform. Making that business case is a really hard thing to do here in the west. Having to already support Android and Ios.

Maybe in China it will be different especially because huawei choose to support Android app and have their HMS services on the Android platform.

Get the people first to use harmony with Android apps is a smart move. If you ask me.

I am interested in how huawei will create a Linux based HarmonyOS desktop distribution. I wouldn't be surprised Microsoft knew about this move given they are moving over more and more api to Linux.
 

chlosy

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If Huawei wants to succeed with the Harmony OS, they need to better than Android in some capacity. If Harmony OS wants to be better than Android in some capacity, then it cannot afford to be just an Android fork.

Ecosystem creation is not that big of a problem, you just need to throw money at it. Anything that can be solved with money is not a big problem.
Does Google have an exclusivity clause in its contracts? If a phone maker uses Google, they cannot produce phones with another OS?
 

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Does Google have an exclusivity clause in its contracts? If a phone maker uses Google, they cannot produce phones with another OS?

It's basically Google not allowing the Apps in its Apps Store to run on another OS other than its own, whether it's another Android based OS or Harmony OS.

This though shouldn't prevent the Android Apps themselves other than those owned by Google to run on the HarmonyOS (with Android Support in this edition). This is basically what Huawei has in mind with the launch of the their new HarmonyOS.
 

Xsizor

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Creating a ecosystem actually is a really hard problem, Microsoft grabbed deep in their war chest to make it happen and failed.

You're asking developers to reallocate resources from a money making platform to a unproven platform. Making that business case is a really hard thing to do here in the west. Having to already support Android and Ios.

Maybe in China it will be different especially because huawei choose to support Android app and have their HMS services on the Android platform.

Get the people first to use harmony with Android apps is a smart move. If you ask me.

I am interested in how huawei will create a Linux based HarmonyOS desktop distribution. I wouldn't be surprised Microsoft knew about this move given they are moving over more and more api to Linux.
About the desktop distribution -

The same way Apple is trying to make MacOS meet halfway to iOS, Huawei can reach it better because of having to start clean sheet.

Apple moving to M1 (ARM based) chips are also very positive for Huawei case.

If the Huawei mirco kernel thing is indeed solid dunk, it'd mean the path ahead to desktop is relatively easy. Microsoft Windows 11, looking at information so far, is also trying to move in a similar path as Apple with MacOS (although the initial push isn't going to be as drastic due to the need to accommodate programs built for legacy versions)

Google will also try to make inroads into Desktop. It's Fuschia OS smells like an attempt to create an apple like, iot supporting ecosystem ( I am not sure about this. Someone may correct.)

So all in all, Huawei isn't alone. The path is more or less clear.
 

solarz

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Creating a ecosystem actually is a really hard problem, Microsoft grabbed deep in their war chest to make it happen and failed.

You're asking developers to reallocate resources from a money making platform to a unproven platform. Making that business case is a really hard thing to do here in the west. Having to already support Android and Ios.

Maybe in China it will be different especially because huawei choose to support Android app and have their HMS services on the Android platform.

Get the people first to use harmony with Android apps is a smart move. If you ask me.

I am interested in how huawei will create a Linux based HarmonyOS desktop distribution. I wouldn't be surprised Microsoft knew about this move given they are moving over more and more api to Linux.

Not at all, the only thing preventing developers from making apps for OS X, Y, or Z is the amount of effort involved in doing so. There are many approaches Huawei can take to motivate developers to build they're apps for Harmony OS. Monetary incentives, better profit sharing plans, easy porting, etc.

For the Chinese market, this will be a slam dunk, as they don't use Google anyway.
 

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