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But, couldn’t the price-point on those out-of-date engines and power-plants be attractive to some developing-nations with limited budgets, and the technology, possibly, be an improvement over what they currently have?
Some of us can remember when Japanese cars were crap, but there was still a market for them. In fact, I preferred Subarus when they were “built inexpensive, and made to stay that way!”

Not that this model was crap, it’s a beauty!
Yes, they're attractive to countries that either don't want to or can't buy top of the line equipment, or want to specifically subsidize their industry.

Now you see why Ukraine's 2014 hard break from Russia was ill advised.
 

TK3600

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"As of 2023, the U.S. region accounted for nearly 36 percent of the global information and communication technology (ICT) market share. The EU and China ranked as the second and third biggest regions, each accounting for a market share of over 11 percent."

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So EU + US controls nearly 50% of the ICT market, while China controls just 11%. Not surprising when you consider the most popular operating systems in use in China are still iOS, Android, and Windows.



I'll give you Belarus, but Kazakhstan? The same Kazakhstan that's been refusing to extradite Russian dissidents and condemning Russian actions in Ukraine? The same one that's seeking closer ties to the US? Russia's influence in Central Asia is vastly overrated today. None of those countries can be considered close partners of China's or Russia's.

As I said, the Global South cannot be counted on. They will court both sides.
Stop it. At this time you have been proven wrong and wrong again you are grabbing irrelevant information and changing topics. I proved NATO partners do not control key resources or have bigger economic outputs. I listed resources generated, consumed, industrial output, industrial consumption, and scientific output. You gave the ICT market share. First off, that is still under "service demands are bullshit because they pay more for same shit without growing the economy". Second that is not representative of economy size, a shift of your goal post. Third, giving you benefit of doubt here, let's say ICT is representative of economy, what is there to stop China from updating windows or pirate them? Will the economy be in shambles if denied of the software? The answer is no. Next thing you know you will be saying US has more social media share therefore bigger economy.

One example of Kazakhstan not extridate dissidents does not invalidate its close relation with Russia. As a CSTO member they are in military alliance same as NATO equivalent. During the protest Russia deployed military units into the country. That is not something a random third party country allows. Using your logic we may as well remove Hungary out of NATO because they are not 100% on board with Ukraine stuff. Or removing every NATO member who did not donate to Ukraine.

From failure to read simple map size to shifting goal post this is getting embarrassing.
 
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supersnoop

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I bet they will try to get Kazakhs in China to secede from China and join Kazakhstan. Or promote the idea of greater Kazakhstan

Kazakhs in China are seen are more Chinese than Kazakh. They don't even use the same writing (Arabic/Persian script for Chinese Kazakh, Cyrillic for Kazakhstan as imposed by the USSR), plus they don't know Russian which is important to know in Kazakhstan. Conversely knowing Mandarin means they are better off staying in China (in terms of economic opportunity).

However, in the context of US interference, definitely would try to promote this. We saw it recently saw it in Mongolia where RFA claimed "widespread protests" against the educational changes where some additional courses would be taught in Mandarin rather than Mongolian. Then you realize these protests were actually in Outer Mongolia...

Then if you know history, after the fall of the USSR, the revival of the traditional Mongolian script required teachers from China since Outer Mongolia replaced Mongol script with Cyrillic...

Cultural genociding of something you preserved, it can only be conceived of by American media/think tanks

It's mixed, there's a part of Ukraine that have better economic relation with Russia and wishes for more trade with Russia (Eastern part) and then there's the other part that have such a relation with EU (Western part), including probably lots of people that wishes to have an easier time to migrate to EU (or if not, at least an easier time to get to work in EU countries).

Can say there's a pro-west part and pro-Russia part, with the pro-west part winning in 2014 (with help and meddling from the west, and ofc, Russia did also meddle and interfere).

Well, that goes without saying that not everyone in the country necessarily supported the pro-west orientation. However, was it possible to have it both ways? Allegedly Russian sources say negotiations on the table were open to EU membership as long as NATO was off the table.

And the reason is as he said, it takes hard power dominance to build "soft power" (or as I call it, non-violent extensions of hard power) against the wishes of the current dominant "soft power." "Soft power" is the prize you win for dominating in hard power; it is the fighter's title belt, the NFL/NBA's Championship ring. You might be number 2-3 for decades, competitive every time, but you will never have that championship ring/belt until you are number one. That's why China's "soft power" seems to be its weakest domain, not because Chinese culture is not being well-represented, but because displacing hostile "soft power" with your own "soft power" is the trophy and the trophy is the last step in total victory.

No relation to anything you said, but since you mention NBA Championsips...
Michael Jordan is an amazing basketball player, terrible NBA executive, amazing businessman. Paying $300 mil for the Hornets and selling for $3b, well done.
 

TK3600

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I am bored today so I will entertain you @Eventine . This is major Chinese economic partners vs NATO + American puppets. Notice I did not include African parts under Chinese economic influence. Also notice Ukraine is not included for war may shift its territory size and allegiance.

land size of blue: 33.37

NATO: 24.93 million km²
South Korea: 0.10
Japan: 0.38
Australia: 7.69
New Zealand: 0.27

land size of red: 44.30

China: 9.71
Mongolia: 1.56
CSTO: 20.40
Syria: 0.19
Iran: 1.65
Saudi Arabia: 2.15
North Korea: 0.12
Brazil: 8.52

fun fact: CSTO + China + Mongolia + Iran + North Korea is already above blue at 33.44.
fun fact 2: throwing in Mexico on blue is 35.33 only. However Mexico did not ban Huawei so the ability of US making Mexico to coordinate embargo is questionable.
 

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Will the economy be in shambles if denied of the software? The answer is no. Next thing you know you will be saying US has more social media share therefore bigger economy.

I think you are severely underestimating the importance of software and computing power to a modern advanced economy. Software encompasses much more than just PC operating systems. Software is a critical driver of the next stage of China's industrial evolution. Rather than downplaying the importance of software, a more correct assessment is that measuring the level of software industry using financial terms is inaccurate. In terms of legacy and lower-level (low level from a technical definition, not correlated with value/importance) software, there is simply no need to re-invent the wheel when there are plenty of open source solutions for which access cannot be cut off. In terms of newer flavors of software, China is competitive, and the Chinese software industry is probably the only industry in the world that can compete with the US software industry. China has a huge competitive advantage in terms of cost and talent pool when compared to the West. Having access to significantly larger pool of high quality talent will provide a massive advantage to software industry, hence why the US is scrambling to tighten its grip on and get entrenched across it's traditional tech markets in order to pre-empty competition from China. Chinese tech companies need to continue to aggressively expand in markets in services such as cloud computing that are not too tightly controlled by US influence in order to secure revenues to continue to fund investment in and development of its tech industry.
 

gpt

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US warns of 'foreign intelligence threat' to space industry

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FriedButter

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  • Using state-backed resources and unfair business practices to disadvantage US space firms.

So after the US builds their footing into the space industry with state funding is when they start demanding everyone else to stop investing into that industry. What a surprise. They want a monopoly since private funding will never provide enough cash for the company to stay alive long enough. SpaceX wouldn’t be alive without that state money.
 

james smith esq

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Reason not to fight for the empire. Become wounded and down on life? You are treated less than human by the pro-law/pro-military people

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Voluntarily enlisting in the USMC was both the stupidest personal and most naive and ignorant political choice I’ve ever made!
But, I got even; I voted for Trump, in 2016!

As soon as I read it, I surmised the races, and roles, of all involved!

And, then, there’s the simple fact that native characteristic of Texas assholeness!
 
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james smith esq

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CAMP DAVID, Maryland, Aug 18 (Reuters) - At a Camp David summit on Friday, the United States, South Korea and Japan will deepen military and economic ties as the allies seek to project unity in the face of China's rise and nuclear threats from North Korea.

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told a Camp David news briefing the meeting would announce "significant steps" to enhance trilateral security cooperation, including a commitment to consult each other in times of crisis.

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Well, maybe, now, some may see the ‘logics’ of planning for a land-war on the Korean Peninsula as the first-stage in Taiwan re-unification contingecny-planning. They’re a unified bloc, now!
A land war on the border of China would be a dream. C’mon, Mr. ‘Muruhcuh, please send your trans-man soldiers and Marines to die on the hills of Korea! The North Korean agricultural fields need fertilizer!
 
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