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A lot of people say China is inactive. That they don't step out more to help others.

I realize China is smart for taking a hands off only business approach. You help your "allies" and give yourself a huge extra cost but those "allies" may never return the favour when needed. America itself doesn't have allies. It has vassals and subject that will get slapped hard should they step out of line.

Another thing people say is China has weak soft power or propaganda. But if you look at recent news, China seems to frequently get what it wants without much issues. Many UN resolutions against it have failed. Even the west which claims to be so tough on China are only good at sound bytes but not actual results. They are so opposed to China yet they are still so willing to hand over their money to China to buy their goods etc. They can yell and scream from the media but they have trouble taking action against China with actual consequences until lately. Even it's sanctions have all these loopholes that they probably know but don't care enough to fix.

Maybes there's more than just media or imaging propaganda?

Santamaria said:

Are you a Chinese citizen? Or a westernwe pretending he knows what is good or bad for China and how they should feel about Russia?

You are here distorting realities about Russia and China without point.

Their relationship has been pretty good for 2 neighbouring superpowers.
Imperial russia only took Manchuria after China was defeated by the British in the second opium war. What do you expect them to do? To allow British settlement there, neighbouring themselves?
I don’t think there is much to blame there, it is pretty normal in the context of the Great Game and the rivalry with the British empire

The Soviet Union did help a lot China. Many original Chinese communist leaders were trained there, as for example the father of Xi.
They also provided a lot of the original technology for the heavy industry.
And without wining nothing. The West did not provide technology for nothing by in exchange for basically mega cheap chinese Labour.
Compare it is absurd.

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I am Chinese (though no longer a citizen), born in China, partially educated in China, and I do not need a non Chinese to teach me about Chinese history. If you believe Russia's role in the Century of Humiliation is limited to just grabbing some far away lands then you have no business talking about Chinese history to me. It is hypocrisy to classify Western exchanges as exchange and SIno-Soviet cooperation as help when both were exchanges. The Soviets did not help the PRC out of the goodness of their hearts - it was for mutual benefit and mutual interests and the exchanges went 2 ways - nothing was given for free. Either way, neither USSR nor Imperial Russia exists today and the current PRC-Russian Federation relationship should not consider past history in any way. Past misdeeds and aid are categorically non-relevant. Today's relationship should be solely based on overlapping interest and mutual benefit, and both nations should prioritize on creating a more equitable and benign alternative to the Anglo-Germanic Western liberal dominated world order as their highest priority. There are no friends in great power relations, only mutual interests.

supercat said:

Considering what Imperial Japan did to China during their invasion in WW2, and Japan's utter refusal to repent to this day, I hold more resentment against Japan than Russia.

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Of course Japan should be resented more. Previously I mentioned Russia was the 3rd worst perpetrator of the Century of Humiliation. The awards for 1st and 2nd go to the Japanese and the British. Neither the Japanese nor British repented and both continue to be China's enemies to this day.

doggydogdo said:

USSR did liberate Manchuria, calling it "pillaging" is Japanese/western propaganda, it's ok to criticize the soviets but you should have to resort to literal imperialist propaganda to do so. Also why are you simping for the nationalists? Their incompetency and selfishness are the reason why so many Chinese died.

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I have said nothing about the KMT / Nationalists, and I don't really care to talk about them. I've never seen a single Western/Japanese source mention anything about the details of what the USSR did in Manchuria. Everything I know about the Soviet involvement in Manchuria at the end of WW2 comes from talking to Chinese people who were alive and living in Manchuria during WW2 to know what the Soviets did. Besides packing up and shipping everything of value back to the USSR, what they did to Chinese civilians living in those areas were comparable to what the Japanese did at that time (before anyone misquote me, I am not portraying the Soviets as Nanjing Massacre level of bad). Chinese people are pragmatic and intelligent enough to both appreciate their true history as well as see the need to form a mutually beneficial and hopefully long-term partnership with today's Russia in order to counter the true adversaries of both nations.

Bob Smith said:

What started this chain of responses was news of the British foreign secretary claiming that China is either providing lethal aid or will be providing is soon to Russia. I said that I hope Xi got major concessions from Putin if what the British government says is true because it's in China's best interest for this war to go on indefinitely as it weakens the West (I assume trillions will be spent providing aid to Ukraine before this war eventually ends) and Russia.

I know it seems like I'm speaking on emotion bringing up lands stolen from Russia but not providing lethal aid to Russia is pragmatism. This war is pretty much a stalemate at this point and there's absolutely no reason for China to tip the scale in Russia's favor. Russia is being a perfect partner as it is right now being a pariah and China shouldn't willingly change that status by ending the war sooner at the expense of relations with Europe.

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Since Russia neither needs nor wants lethal aid, it should be end of discussion. Putin would not accept it even if it was on the table.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

I have said nothing about the KMT / Nationalists, and I don't really care to talk about them. I've never seen a single Western/Japanese source mention anything about the details of what the USSR did in Manchuria. Everything I know about the Soviet involvement in Manchuria at the end of WW2 comes from talking to Chinese people who were alive and living in Manchuria during WW2 to know what the Soviets did. Besides packing up and shipping everything of value back to the USSR, what they did to Chinese civilians living in those areas were comparable to what the Japanese did at that time (before anyone misquote me, I am not portraying the Soviets as Nanjing Massacre level of bad). Chinese people are pragmatic and intelligent enough to both appreciate their true history as well as see the need to form a mutually beneficial and hopefully long-term partnership with today's Russia in order to counter the true adversaries of both nations.

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Brain damage take. Soviet Union literally took Manchuria from the Japanese and gave it back to China, how is that comparable as unit 731 and mass slavery? It's genuinely insane how you know so less about Chinese history to think they are even remotely comparable.

doggydogdo said:

Brain damage take. Soviet Union literally took Manchuria from the Japanese and gave it back to China, how is that comparable as unit 731 and mass slavery? It's genuinely insane how you know so less about Chinese history to think they are even remotely comparable.

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You must be a clueless Southerner. The land was Chinese, of course the Soviets had to give it back. They stripped and shipped back all the industry that Manchuria had, and proceeded to strip down Chinese women. The Chinese would've defeated the Kwantung Army in Manchuria soon anyways and would have done it without the pillaging.

taxiya said:

Are you really from Africa and being a black person? What you are saying is exactly what racism is defined "acting on/treating people based on ethnicity over other quality". Yes, I know your are accusing Russian to be racist, but I believe your accusation is reflection of yourself, in the very same way as west accusing China being neo-colonist in Africa which you tried to propagate here multiple times.

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How is that racist? People like to throw around the word so easily these days. Missed the era of actual conversations.

coolgod said:

That guy is obviously not from Africa and not black. Imagine someone on SDF called YellowChinese, do you think they are Chinese?

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You do realize Africa doesn't just have black people right? Try again.

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A lot of people say China is inactive. That they don't step out more to help others.

I realize China is smart for taking a hands off only business approach. You help your "allies" and give yourself a huge extra cost but those "allies" may never return the favour when needed. America itself doesn't have allies. It has vassals and subject that will get slapped hard should they step out of line.

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What do you mean by this, bro? The picture here should be yesterday's UNGA vote on some imaginary "genocide" Serbs supposedly committed in Bosnia (making it some international commemoration day or idk).

It is not about China and the US directly per se. Although as you can see China voted against it and supported us in that way (thanks and respect to China for that).

The US was the main sponsor of this resolution with their standard anti-Serbian plan of action that has been on their daily menu for decades.

Although, this time it was not only the standard blueprint against Serbs but also an attempt to whitewash their supporting and enabling the genocide in Gaza with this bullshit since Bosniaks are also some quasi-Muslims. (That's why this comes during this moment now).

So, they wanted to get some soft power points in the Muslim world back, but I don't think that anyone even knows who those people are, so they probably didn't succeed. The resolution passed in the end, but I don't think that this has any tangible effects in the real world.

There were so many abstentions or voting YES, due to Muslim representatives voting based on feelings, rather than facts, and just because of US pressure, US vassal votes, or some neutral countries simply wanted to pay back the US in this way after voting against it constantly recently.

In the end, there were 19 votes NO, 84 votes YES, and 68 abstentions. Still, the majority of countries either voted no or didn't give a damn about this bullshit, I bet that without US operations, it would've been majority no.

Every single person in the biomed device field knew how stupid Neuralink is and how far we are from safe in vitro implants.

Another Elon scam: