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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
Sending weapons is a declaration of war? Russia can defend in sovereignty but it's not doing that in Ukraine. Russia isn't rushing into engagement because they would get their ass handed to them.
By whom? Europe and what Army? Lol without your Daddy U.S.A. you lads are diddly squat insufficient forces. Who did your Euro military battled against? Your comedian head of EU foreign policy even revealed that your inventory would not last 2 weeks if EU gets involved militarily and here you are making some bold statements. Lol you're one funny comedian bro.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

Colonel
Registered Member
Possible. However imo this can only happen seriously when China enjoys overwhelming regional military superiority. When that happens, everyone will become obedient.

Until that becomes a reality, I don't expect any serious change on ASEAN's behaviour.
Totally agreed.

In fact, I see the reunification of Taiwan by China to be the key deciding factor in determining the sway of ASEAN behavior in the foreseeable future. It would be either China's (and the rest of the Global South's) camp, or the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s camp.

Of course, in case the military reunification of Taiwan is to be expected in any particular point in time in the near future, I hope that China has conducted necessary preparatory works in order to safeguard her flanks so that the PLA could focus entirely on Taiwan.

For instance, China could hold closed-door meetings with all ASEAN countries, between the heads-of-state, or the heads-of-government, or both. China could then propose that:

1. The security and safety of all ASEAN countries will be guaranteed;
2. Trade and economic relations between China and ASEAN would be safeguarded and maintained as normal; and
3. ASEAN countries would have even greater and lucrative development, growth, cooperation and intergration opportunities with China and the rest of the world through the BRI;
etc.

These offerings should come with the preconditions for ASEAN countries to:

1. Stay strictly neutral;
2. Stay out of the expected conflict regarding Taiwan; and
3. Refrain from supporting the Taiwanese separatists in any method or form.

The best would be for all ASEAN countries to reject any requests by any foreign military forces to dock and utilize the bases and facilities in these ASEAN countries. Such measures, if can be met, would be useful to prevent those bases and facilities from becoming staging areas for the US-led Lackeys Inc. to launch counterattacks against China, should the US-led Lackeys Inc. decides to directly intervene.

I'm looking at you, Singapore.

Although, should military reunification of Taiwan becomes unavoidable, IMO, all ASEAN countries would most likely be sitting idly while watching the conflicts unfolding across the Taiwan Strait and the West Pacific attentively. Honestly, I don't think any ASEAN country would stupidly join the conflict against China, as long as they themselves aren't directly threatened.

Regarding how the outcome of the reunification of Taiwan would result in ASEAN's behavior towards China versus the US-led Lackeys Inc., here's my personal take, so please take it with a pinch of salt.

(Here, direct intervention means directly involved in the conflict, i.e. participating in the war as an active belligerent. Supplying weapons and intelligence like what NATO is doing to Ukraine right now is not considered as a direct intervention.)

Scenario 1 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from US-led Lackeys Inc.:
In general, ASEAN would become pro-China to a certain degree, with certain exceptions.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China (i.e. Laos, Cambodia, Thailand) would most certainly lean closer towards China, as they see that the chances of China-US conflict to increase, and that their safety could be endangered. Hence, China's security protection would be needed in case the US-led Lackeys Inc. attempted anything stupid with their home country.
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West (i.e. Vietnam and Philippines) would either:
#1 - Choose to lean closer towards the US-led Lackeys Inc., because with Taiwan gone as a distration for China, they see their claims on the South China Sea becoming more vulnerable, as China is able to focus more on the South China Sea dispute. They are more likely to ask the US-led Lackeys Inc. to balance out China's prowess in the ASEAN region; or
#2 - Become more neutral with maybe slight pro-China tint, seeing that China has become even more powerful in the Western Pacific, and with the US-led Lackeys Co. unwilling to protect and defend Taiwan, what chances would the US-led Lackeys Co. come to their aid, in case they got into conlfict with China?
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral (i.e. Malaysia, Brunei) would become somewhat closer to China in order to get on China's good side for more benefit-reaping. Being cautiously at that, however, shall I add.

Scenario 2 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
Except ASEAN countries that are pro-China, ASEAN as a whole would be more likely and ready to embrace the US-led Lackeys Inc. and be more vocal and adamant in the South China Sea issue. Considerable amount of respect and trust for China from ASEAN would be shaken.
This is mainly because if China couldn't beat Taiwan that is already on their own, what makes China to even have the reason and face to deal with ASEAN countries regarding the South China Sea dispute?
This is especially when the US-led Lackeys Inc. isn't seriously affected, which means they can certainly better pursuade ASEAN countries to turn their backs on China, alongside piling on more pressure against China in order to weaken her further.

Scenario 3 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan, and managed to beat back the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s direct intervention:
This would be the absolute best scenario for China in ASEAN.
China managed to beat back US-led Lackeys Inc. can only mean one thing - China's position as the sole dominant superpower in the Western Pacific region has become truly undisputed.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China would definitely throw themselves into China's arms. No explanations needed
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West would either:
#1 - Have to become more relenting in their dealings with China; or
#2 - Have no choice but to accept the reality that neither the US, nor her lackeys can ever help them in case they got into conflict with China.
In both cases, these anti-China/pro-West ASEAN countries would have to become more friendly to China, albeit reluctantly. Because if otherwise, what else can they even secure? China can just whip their arse in case they want to try to do anything funny with China.
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral would become more friendly to China, rather than otherwise.

Scenario 4 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan, and got beaten back by the direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
This would be the absolute worst scenario for China in ASEAN.
With China throughoutly weakened and wasted, ASEAN countries that have conflicting claims with China in the South China Sea would become even more daring and assertive. The whole of ASEAN would throw themselves into the arms of the US-led Lackeys Inc, considering that China's status as a prominent superpower in the Western Pacific is gone, and the US-led Lackeys Inc. would have their back in case of any conflicts with China.
It would be very hard for China to regain respect and trust from ASEAN from that point onwards. Basically speaking, game over.

So there's my take. And I believe that:
1. The analysts and decision makers in the Chinese government and the PLA would have seriously considered my above points too; and
2. The above responses of ASEAN on China's military reunification of Taiwan can also be, simply put, applied for the rest of the Global South.

In short, I believe that for the future of humanity to be secured and shielded by neo-imperialism and neo-colonialism of the US-led Lackeys Inc., China must WIN in this Taiwan conflict. AND, China must make that win over Taiwan and the US-led Lackeys Inc. an ABSOLUTE VICTORY.

China only has ONE SHOT at this. Make it count, China.

ASEAN, and the rest of the Global South, rest their eyes on you.


(Sorry for the long mumble-jumble)
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
By whom? Europe and what Army? Lol without your Daddy U.S.A. you lads are diddly squat insufficient forces. Who did your Euro military battled against? Your comedian head of EU foreign policy even revealed that your inventory would not last 2 weeks if EU gets involved militarily and here you are making some bold statements. Lol you're one funny comedian bro.
@Bellum_Romanum bro All I can say is Thank you Russia! Your action embolden us here in the Global South. You ,China and even Iran are our Champion, We regain our voices and we cheer your plan of a new Fairer World Order.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
Totally agreed.

In fact, I see the reunification of Taiwan by China to be the key deciding factor in determining the sway of ASEAN behavior in the foreseeable future. It would be either China's (and the rest of the Global South's) camp, or the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s camp.

Of course, in case the military reunification of Taiwan is to be expected in any particular point in time in the near future, I hope that China has conducted necessary preparatory works in order to safeguard her flanks so that the PLA could focus entirely on Taiwan.

For instance, China could hold closed-door meetings with all ASEAN countries, between the heads-of-state, or the heads-of-government, or both. China could then propose that:

1. The security and safety of all ASEAN countries will be guaranteed;
2. Trade and economic relations between China and ASEAN would be safeguarded and maintained as normal; and
3. ASEAN countries would have even greater and lucrative development, growth, cooperation and intergration opportunities with China and the rest of the world through the BRI;
etc.

These offerings should come with the preconditions for ASEAN countries to:

1. Stay strictly neutral;
2. Stay out of the expected conflict regarding Taiwan; and
3. Refrain from supporting the Taiwanese separatists in any method or form.

The best would be for all ASEAN countries to reject any requests by any foreign military forces to dock and utilize the bases and facilities in these ASEAN countries. Such measures, if can be met, would be useful to prevent those bases and facilities from becoming staging areas for the US-led Lackeys Inc. to launch counterattacks against China, should the US-led Lackeys Inc. decides to directly intervene.

I'm looking at you, Singapore.

Although, should military reunification of Taiwan becomes unavoidable, IMO, all ASEAN countries would most likely be sitting idly while watching the conflicts unfolding across the Taiwan Strait and the West Pacific attentively. Honestly, I don't think any ASEAN country would stupidly join the conflict against China, as long as they themselves aren't directly threatened.

Regarding how the outcome of the reunification of Taiwan would result in ASEAN's behavior towards China versus the US-led Lackeys Inc., here's my personal take, so please take it with a pinch of salt.

(Here, direct intervention means directly involved in the conflict, i.e. participating in the war as an active belligerent. Supplying weapons and intelligence like what NATO is doing to Ukraine right now is not considered as a direct intervention.)

Scenario 1 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from US-led Lackeys Inc.:
In general, ASEAN would become pro-China to a certain degree, with certain exceptions.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China (i.e. Laos, Cambodia, Thailand) would most certainly lean closer towards China, as they see that the chances of China-US conflict to increase, and that their safety could be endangered. Hence, China's security protection would be needed in case the US-led Lackeys Inc. attempted anything stupid with their home country.
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West (i.e. Vietnam and Philippines) would either:
#1 - Choose to lean closer towards the US-led Lackeys Inc., because with Taiwan gone as a distration for China, they see their claims on the South China Sea becoming more vulnerable, as China is able to focus more on the South China Sea dispute. They are more likely to ask the US-led Lackeys Inc. to balance out China's prowess in the ASEAN region; or
#2 - Become more neutral with maybe slight pro-China tint, seeing that China has become even more powerful in the Western Pacific, and with the US-led Lackeys Co. unwilling to protect and defend Taiwan, what chances would the US-led Lackeys Co. come to their aid, in case they got into conlfict with China?
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral (i.e. Malaysia, Brunei) would become somewhat closer to China in order to get on China's good side for more benefit-reaping. Being cautiously at that, however, shall I add.

Scenario 2 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
Except ASEAN countries that are pro-China, ASEAN as a whole would be more likely and ready to embrace the US-led Lackeys Inc. and be more vocal and adamant in the South China Sea issue. Considerable amount of respect and trust for China from ASEAN would be shaken.
This is mainly because if China couldn't beat Taiwan that is already on their own, what makes China to even have the reason and face to deal with ASEAN countries regarding the South China Sea dispute?
This is especially when the US-led Lackeys Inc. isn't seriously affected, which means they can certainly better pursuade ASEAN countries to turn their backs on China, alongside piling on more pressure against China in order to weaken her further.

Scenario 3 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan, and managed to beat back the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s direct intervention:
This would be the absolute best scenario for China in ASEAN.
China managed to beat back US-led Lackeys Inc. can only mean one thing - China's position as the sole dominant superpower in the Western Pacific region has become truly undisputed.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China would definitely throw themselves into China's arms. No explanations needed
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West would either:
#1 - Have to become more relenting in their dealings with China; or
#2 - Have no choice but to accept the reality that neither the US, nor her lackeys can ever help them in case they got into conflict with China.
In both cases, these anti-China/pro-West ASEAN countries would have to become more friendly to China, albeit reluctantly. Because if otherwise, what else can they even secure? China can just whip their arse in case they want to try to do anything funny with China.
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral would become more friendly to China, rather than otherwise.

Scenario 4 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan, and got beaten back by the direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
This would be the absolute worst scenario for China in ASEAN.
With China throughoutly weakened and wasted, ASEAN countries that have conflicting claims with China in the South China Sea would become even more daring and assertive. The whole of ASEAN would throw themselves into the arms of the US-led Lackeys Inc, considering that China's status as a prominent superpower in the Western Pacific is gone, and the US-led Lackeys Inc. would have their back in case of any conflicts with China.
It would be very hard for China to regain respect and trust from ASEAN from that point onwards. Basically speaking, game over.

So there's my take. And I believe the analysts and decision makers in the Chinese government and the PLA would have seriously considered my above points too.

In short, I believe that for the future of humanity to be secured and shielded by neo-imperialism and neo-colonialism of the US-led Lackeys Inc., China must WIN in this Taiwan conflict. AND, China must make that win over Taiwan and the US-led Lackeys Inc. an ABSOLUTE VICTORY.

China only has ONE SHOT at this. Make it count, China.

ASEAN, and the rest of the Global South, rest their eyes on you.


(Sorry for the long mumble-jumble)
Scenario number 3 is where Japan, U.S. intervened (South Korea would be too stupid to join without inviting North Korea attacking them) in the Taiwan straits with those countries getting thorough thrashing from the combined PLA forces is indeed the best scenario and thus would mark/stamp the beginning of a new era in the Asia-Pacific (I am not going to use Indo nonsense Pacific).

Such a scenario would dissuade Indian misadventures at the border and could perhaps even reasses their Jai Hind delusions into a more realistic appraisal.

For the security and peaceful ascendant of the entire Asian region (including India) a Chinese victory if the war has to be fought for Taiwan reunification because a Chinese loss would simply make the region that more volatile, dangerous, and detrimental to the growth, prosperity of all countries in this region not to mention another Chinese humiliation would trigger a crisis in the mainland that's too dangerous to even contemplate.
 

Coalescence

Senior Member
Registered Member
Totally agreed.

In fact, I see the reunification of Taiwan by China to be the key deciding factor in determining the sway of ASEAN behavior in the foreseeable future. It would be either China's (and the rest of the Global South's) camp, or the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s camp.

Of course, in case the military reunification of Taiwan is to be expected in any particular point in time in the near future, I hope that China has conducted necessary preparatory works in order to safeguard her flanks so that the PLA could focus entirely on Taiwan.

For instance, China could hold closed-door meetings with all ASEAN countries, between the heads-of-state, or the heads-of-government, or both. China could then propose that:

1. The security and safety of all ASEAN countries will be guaranteed;
2. Trade and economic relations between China and ASEAN would be safeguarded and maintained as normal; and
3. ASEAN countries would have even greater and lucrative development, growth, cooperation and intergration opportunities with China and the rest of the world through the BRI;
etc.

These offerings should come with the preconditions for ASEAN countries to:

1. Stay strictly neutral;
2. Stay out of the expected conflict regarding Taiwan; and
3. Refrain from supporting the Taiwanese separatists in any method or form.

The best would be for all ASEAN countries to reject any requests by any foreign military forces to dock and utilize the bases and facilities in these ASEAN countries. Such measures, if can be met, would be useful to prevent those bases and facilities from becoming staging areas for the US-led Lackeys Inc. to launch counterattacks against China, should the US-led Lackeys Inc. decides to directly intervene.

I'm looking at you, Singapore.

Although, should military reunification of Taiwan becomes unavoidable, IMO, all ASEAN countries would most likely be sitting idly while watching the conflicts unfolding across the Taiwan Strait and the West Pacific attentively. Honestly, I don't think any ASEAN country would stupidly join the conflict against China, as long as they themselves aren't directly threatened.

Regarding how the outcome of the reunification of Taiwan would result in ASEAN's behavior towards China versus the US-led Lackeys Inc., here's my personal take, so please take it with a pinch of salt.

(Here, direct intervention means directly involved in the conflict, i.e. participating in the war as an active belligerent. Supplying weapons and intelligence like what NATO is doing to Ukraine right now is not considered as a direct intervention.)

Scenario 1 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from US-led Lackeys Inc.:
In general, ASEAN would become pro-China to a certain degree, with certain exceptions.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China (i.e. Laos, Cambodia, Thailand) would most certainly lean closer towards China, as they see that the chances of China-US conflict to increase, and that their safety could be endangered. Hence, China's security protection would be needed in case the US-led Lackeys Inc. attempted anything stupid with their home country.
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West (i.e. Vietnam and Philippines) would either:
#1 - Choose to lean closer towards the US-led Lackeys Inc., because with Taiwan gone as a distration for China, they see their claims on the South China Sea becoming more vulnerable, as China is able to focus more on the South China Sea dispute. They are more likely to ask the US-led Lackeys Inc. to balance out China's prowess in the ASEAN region; or
#2 - Become more neutral with maybe slight pro-China tint, seeing that China has become even more powerful in the Western Pacific, and with the US-led Lackeys Co. unwilling to protect and defend Taiwan, what chances would the US-led Lackeys Co. come to their aid, in case they got into conlfict with China?
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral (i.e. Malaysia, Brunei) would become somewhat closer to China in order to get on China's good side for more benefit-reaping. Being cautiously at that, however, shall I add.

Scenario 2 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
Except ASEAN countries that are pro-China, ASEAN as a whole would be more likely and ready to embrace the US-led Lackeys Inc. and be more vocal and adamant in the South China Sea issue. Considerable amount of respect and trust for China from ASEAN would be shaken.
This is mainly because if China couldn't beat Taiwan that is already on their own, what makes China to even have the reason and face to deal with ASEAN countries regarding the South China Sea dispute?
This is especially when the US-led Lackeys Inc. isn't seriously affected, which means they can certainly better pursuade ASEAN countries to turn their backs on China, alongside piling on more pressure against China in order to weaken her further.

Scenario 3 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan, and managed to beat back the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s direct intervention:
This would be the absolute best scenario for China in ASEAN.
China managed to beat back US-led Lackeys Inc. can only mean one thing - China's position as the sole dominant superpower in the Western Pacific region has become truly undisputed.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China would definitely throw themselves into China's arms. No explanations needed
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West would either:
#1 - Have to become more relenting in their dealings with China; or
#2 - Have no choice but to accept the reality that neither the US, nor her lackeys can ever help them in case they got into conflict with China.
In both cases, these anti-China/pro-West ASEAN countries would have to become more friendly to China, albeit reluctantly. Because if otherwise, what else can they even secure? China can just whip their arse in case they want to try to do anything funny with China.
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral would become more friendly to China, rather than otherwise.

Scenario 4 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan, and got beaten back by the direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
This would be the absolute worst scenario for China in ASEAN.
With China throughoutly weakened and wasted, ASEAN countries that have conflicting claims with China in the South China Sea would become even more daring and assertive. The whole of ASEAN would throw themselves into the arms of the US-led Lackeys Inc, considering that China's status as a prominent superpower in the Western Pacific is gone, and the US-led Lackeys Inc. would have their back in case of any conflicts with China.
It would be very hard for China to regain respect and trust from ASEAN from that point onwards. Basically speaking, game over.

So there's my take. And I believe that:
1. The analysts and decision makers in the Chinese government and the PLA would have seriously considered my above points too; and
2. The above responses of ASEAN on China's military reunification of Taiwan can also be, simply put, applied for the rest of the Global South.

In short, I believe that for the future of humanity to be secured and shielded by neo-imperialism and neo-colonialism of the US-led Lackeys Inc., China must WIN in this Taiwan conflict. AND, China must make that win over Taiwan and the US-led Lackeys Inc. an ABSOLUTE VICTORY.

China only has ONE SHOT at this. Make it count, China.

ASEAN, and the rest of the Global South, rest their eyes on you.


(Sorry for the long mumble-jumble)
Pretty interesting scenarios, but I think even if China did win with or without US intervention in the Taiwan scenario, the ASEAN countries will still use US as a counterbalance and may even further increase their cooperation because now China's military balance in the region becomes tilted in her favor. The current status is actually favorable for every country in the region, and if a war breaks out it would be catastrophic for them, so I think they might secretly do diplomacy and negotiations, especially with Taiwan to prevent a war from happening.

If there was intervention by US forces, this would become incredibly catastrophic for the region regardless of outcome by the end of the battle, because it will become a declaration of war between two major powers that won't end after the battle unless a settlement is reached. Most likely both side's military power will become degraded, and depending on the damage it, it would leave a power vacuum for regional powers like Russia, South Korea and Japan to exploit. If China lost, its going to be unpredictable what will happen, they might completely ally themselves with Russia or declare they will declare a no sail zone in SCS using anti-ship missiles to sink ships, disrupting maritime trade in the region.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Totally agreed.

In fact, I see the reunification of Taiwan by China to be the key deciding factor in determining the sway of ASEAN behavior in the foreseeable future. It would be either China's (and the rest of the Global South's) camp, or the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s camp.

Of course, in case the military reunification of Taiwan is to be expected in any particular point in time in the near future, I hope that China has conducted necessary preparatory works in order to safeguard her flanks so that the PLA could focus entirely on Taiwan.

For instance, China could hold closed-door meetings with all ASEAN countries, between the heads-of-state, or the heads-of-government, or both. China could then propose that:

1. The security and safety of all ASEAN countries will be guaranteed;
2. Trade and economic relations between China and ASEAN would be safeguarded and maintained as normal; and
3. ASEAN countries would have even greater and lucrative development, growth, cooperation and intergration opportunities with China and the rest of the world through the BRI;
etc.

These offerings should come with the preconditions for ASEAN countries to:

1. Stay strictly neutral;
2. Stay out of the expected conflict regarding Taiwan; and
3. Refrain from supporting the Taiwanese separatists in any method or form.

The best would be for all ASEAN countries to reject any requests by any foreign military forces to dock and utilize the bases and facilities in these ASEAN countries. Such measures, if can be met, would be useful to prevent those bases and facilities from becoming staging areas for the US-led Lackeys Inc. to launch counterattacks against China, should the US-led Lackeys Inc. decides to directly intervene.

I'm looking at you, Singapore.

Although, should military reunification of Taiwan becomes unavoidable, IMO, all ASEAN countries would most likely be sitting idly while watching the conflicts unfolding across the Taiwan Strait and the West Pacific attentively. Honestly, I don't think any ASEAN country would stupidly join the conflict against China, as long as they themselves aren't directly threatened.

Regarding how the outcome of the reunification of Taiwan would result in ASEAN's behavior towards China versus the US-led Lackeys Inc., here's my personal take, so please take it with a pinch of salt.

(Here, direct intervention means directly involved in the conflict, i.e. participating in the war as an active belligerent. Supplying weapons and intelligence like what NATO is doing to Ukraine right now is not considered as a direct intervention.)

Scenario 1 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from US-led Lackeys Inc.:
In general, ASEAN would become pro-China to a certain degree, with certain exceptions.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China (i.e. Laos, Cambodia, Thailand) would most certainly lean closer towards China, as they see that the chances of China-US conflict to increase, and that their safety could be endangered. Hence, China's security protection would be needed in case the US-led Lackeys Inc. attempted anything stupid with their home country.
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West (i.e. Vietnam and Philippines) would either:
#1 - Choose to lean closer towards the US-led Lackeys Inc., because with Taiwan gone as a distration for China, they see their claims on the South China Sea becoming more vulnerable, as China is able to focus more on the South China Sea dispute. They are more likely to ask the US-led Lackeys Inc. to balance out China's prowess in the ASEAN region; or
#2 - Become more neutral with maybe slight pro-China tint, seeing that China has become even more powerful in the Western Pacific, and with the US-led Lackeys Co. unwilling to protect and defend Taiwan, what chances would the US-led Lackeys Co. come to their aid, in case they got into conlfict with China?
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral (i.e. Malaysia, Brunei) would become somewhat closer to China in order to get on China's good side for more benefit-reaping. Being cautiously at that, however, shall I add.

Scenario 2 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan without any direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
Except ASEAN countries that are pro-China, ASEAN as a whole would be more likely and ready to embrace the US-led Lackeys Inc. and be more vocal and adamant in the South China Sea issue. Considerable amount of respect and trust for China from ASEAN would be shaken.
This is mainly because if China couldn't beat Taiwan that is already on their own, what makes China to even have the reason and face to deal with ASEAN countries regarding the South China Sea dispute?
This is especially when the US-led Lackeys Inc. isn't seriously affected, which means they can certainly better pursuade ASEAN countries to turn their backs on China, alongside piling on more pressure against China in order to weaken her further.

Scenario 3 - China successfully reunify and control Taiwan, and managed to beat back the US-led Lackeys Inc.'s direct intervention:
This would be the absolute best scenario for China in ASEAN.
China managed to beat back US-led Lackeys Inc. can only mean one thing - China's position as the sole dominant superpower in the Western Pacific region has become truly undisputed.
One; ASEAN countries that are pro-China would definitely throw themselves into China's arms. No explanations needed
Two; ASEAN countries that are anti-China/pro-West would either:
#1 - Have to become more relenting in their dealings with China; or
#2 - Have no choice but to accept the reality that neither the US, nor her lackeys can ever help them in case they got into conflict with China.
In both cases, these anti-China/pro-West ASEAN countries would have to become more friendly to China, albeit reluctantly. Because if otherwise, what else can they even secure? China can just whip their arse in case they want to try to do anything funny with China.
Three; ASEAN countries that are more neutral would become more friendly to China, rather than otherwise.

Scenario 4 - China failed to reunify and control Taiwan, and got beaten back by the direct intervention from the US-led Lackeys Inc.:
This would be the absolute worst scenario for China in ASEAN.
With China throughoutly weakened and wasted, ASEAN countries that have conflicting claims with China in the South China Sea would become even more daring and assertive. The whole of ASEAN would throw themselves into the arms of the US-led Lackeys Inc, considering that China's status as a prominent superpower in the Western Pacific is gone, and the US-led Lackeys Inc. would have their back in case of any conflicts with China.
It would be very hard for China to regain respect and trust from ASEAN from that point onwards. Basically speaking, game over.

So there's my take. And I believe that:
1. The analysts and decision makers in the Chinese government and the PLA would have seriously considered my above points too; and
2. The above responses of ASEAN on China's military reunification of Taiwan can also be, simply put, applied for the rest of the Global South.

In short, I believe that for the future of humanity to be secured and shielded by neo-imperialism and neo-colonialism of the US-led Lackeys Inc., China must WIN in this Taiwan conflict. AND, China must make that win over Taiwan and the US-led Lackeys Inc. an ABSOLUTE VICTORY.

China only has ONE SHOT at this. Make it count, China.

ASEAN, and the rest of the Global South, rest their eyes on you.


(Sorry for the long mumble-jumble)
One question: why do you regard losing to Taiwan 1v1 as less damaging to Chinese prestige than losing to US?

Is it because losing to Taiwan 1v1 can be spun as having insufficient will but retaining the physical capability to deter, while losing to the US means Chinese deterrence has completely failed?
 

Michaelsinodef

Senior Member
Registered Member
One question: why do you regard losing to Taiwan 1v1 as less damaging to Chinese prestige than losing to US?

Is it because losing to Taiwan 1v1 can be spun as having insufficient will but retaining the physical capability to deter, while losing to the US means Chinese deterrence has completely failed?
It honestly doesn't deserve attention though, the PLA losing against ROC forces in a 1v1.

Cuz it's such an unlikely scenario and chance of happening, and if it did happen, then China has some FAR MORE pressing problems than just the attitude of ASEAN and other countries.
 
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