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Chevalier · 2025-10-13T06:31:26-0400

I am not European so help me understand; not even a month ago, Poland decided they wanted to be fresh and cut the BRI train line only to panic and restore the train line within ten days.
Why do the Dutch who have only provided the world with their famous practice of going Dutch and Dutch ovens, believe that they are so special?

PandaAI · 2025-10-13T06:33:14-0400

Mt1701d said:
I can agree that a quick response is desired, however what I am concerned with is fact that they involved an EU law rather than the Netherland’s own legal base for the decision, if a quick response is enacted without proper understanding of potential consequences there might be a fallout and result in the Western European countries banding together.

Even if the EU ends up fragmenting a little the resulting fallout will still be more detrimental to the Chinese cause and push the undecided countries into an alliance with the US for safety. Ultimately defeating the point of the response.

Edit: Frankly the timely smell really badly like a CIA psyop to provoke an overreaction from China, demolishing the company in question and all willing to associate with them right now is enough of a statement that should the EU try this sh*t again then you won’t get anything either. Going after the Netherlands and by extension the EU themselves requires a more measured and calculated response.

EU should worry about the retaliation from China. Not the other way round. The world’s largest industrial power and the supplier of critical supply chains. China can wreck havoc on the EU.

Mt1701d · 2025-10-13T06:56:21-0400

PandaAI said:
EU should worry about the retaliation from China. Not the other way round. The world’s largest industrial power and the supplier of critical supply chains. China can wreck havoc on the EU.

Sure, but this time it really will hurt China badly too should they band together with the US despite Trump.

PandaAI · 2025-10-13T07:12:30-0400

Mt1701d said:
Sure, but this time it really will hurt China badly too should they band together with the US despite Trump.

Financialised economies cannot defeat industrial economies no matter how many join the group.

Mt1701d · 2025-10-13T07:23:49-0400

PandaAI said:
Financialised economies cannot defeat industrial economies no matter how many join the group.

I am not disagreeing, merely pointing out that it would hurt a lot more than just duking it out with the US alone.

siegecrossbow · 2025-10-13T07:31:55-0400

Thecore said:
I truly believe that Trump’s random opining on re-denominating the US currency to be backed by some kind of crypto stablecoin or even bitcoin and dissolving the Fed is deadly serious. This means any holder of US debt denominated in Federal Reserve Promissory Notes (ie. US dollar) is vastly undervaluating their risk profile. I think it’s completely within the realm of possibility that Trump and his neo-papal crusader clique actually believe they can “force through” the elimination of US debt with the stroke of a pen and the rest of the world will just have to eat it because of the current inertia and built in networks and size of American global economic reach, investor confidence in the US gov be damned. In short, these mofos are crazy and liable to do crazy shit.

It’s a god awful idea. If a single Trump shitpost could wipe literal billions off bitcoin imagine how bad things can get wi the legit bad news.

GiantPanda · 2025-10-13T07:36:12-0400

Mt1701d said:
Sure, but this time it really will hurt China badly too should they band together with the US despite Trump.

It will not hurt worse than when they banned ASML from selling EUVs.

Also gaining Nexperia back not sustainable.

Best scenario is to let Nexperia die on the vine by restricting it from the Chinese market and through the restrictions of rare earth since the Netherlands has shown that is irrevocably hostile.

Nexperia wasn't in the best of shape which was the only reason a Chinese company was allowed to buy it in the first place.

I think the rare earths and China market retaliation cards need to be followed through now that they are out in the open. Nexperia and even ASML need to restricted and damaged so that it doesn't need to be applied to Tesla and Apple.

China will need to kill the Chicken (Holland) to scare the Monkey (US.)

Overbom · 2025-10-13T07:41:04-0400

Kick out Unilever and Shell (moved away HQ recently, but still have heavy presence in Netherlands).
Then impose a sizeable multi-billion fine to ASML

You don't negotiate with thieves and pirates, just shoot them dead, no questions asked

Grand theft auto

In 2018, China’s Wingtech Technology paid a hefty sum to buy Nexperia—but the Dutch this week suddenly grabbed the company back, AND they are keeping the money the Chinese paid, AND they are going to keep all the products too.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1977648582586241459

GZDRefugee · 2025-10-13T08:33:57-0400

I said this last week.

GZDRefugee said:
Economic interdependence is cope. Stop pretending trade will prevent conflict. It won't. The US has decided China is the pacing threat. Europe follows US security policy. Accept the bifurcation, weaponize the dependencies you've created, and impose maximum costs on adversaries while you still can.

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