Minsk and Kiev

TJJH said:

Hey Jeff, could you redo the CBG so that its more submarine centric?

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What did you have in mind?

I'm thinking perhaps a pack of 6 type 093 submarines (have to get something much, much better later on). The Varyag as the base of operations, one Kiev class, and 3 type 52C DDGs. Of course support vessels would have to be there as well. But I think you get the general gist of it.

EDIT: Or to be even more daring and unconventional add a type 094 SSBN in place of the Kiev.

TJJH said:

I'm thinking perhaps a pack of 6 type 093 submarines

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I do not believe they would commit that many type 093s to one CBG. It will be quite a while before they even have that many...if they don'ty start building something different before.

They might add a couple of the older SSN's closer in, and maybe go as high as three Type 093s.

Anyhow, I will doctor that photo to show it if you like, but it will not be until Friday.

Jeff Head said:

I do not believe they would commit that many type 093s to one CBG. It will be quite a while before they even have that many...if they don'ty start building something different before.

They might add a couple of the older SSN's closer in, and maybe go as high as three Type 093s.

Anyhow, I will doctor that photo to show it if you like, but it will not be until Friday.

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So Jeff are u going to show us the new pic u have?

Sorry, I have been tuned into the hurricane hitting the Texas coast. I have a lot of friends and family down there.

I will try and get the subs added and up on this thread tomorrow.

I hope your people are safe Jeff.

Thanks so much. Most relatives got out and are with my brothers and mother up north of Dallas.

Several friends in Houston evacuated but a couple of die hards stayed. They are okay now, particularly since the storm went 80 miles to the east around Port Authur. Lots of rain and some high winds...but not the worst of it.

PLABUDDY said:

So Jeff are u going to show us the new pic u have?

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Here you go PLABUDDY, a PLAN CBG with two carriers, two 52Cs, two 51Cs, 1 52B, one Sov, two 054 FFGs and FIVE SSNs.

Oh just let that thing rest would you?
It's old and I doubt China will use it.

Plus, if it does become part of such a task force, I think a new breed of destroyers will be used instead. It's unlikely that they will pull them away from their own fleet.

bd popeye said:

Are you refering to the fact that a USN CV has over 5000 personell?..

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Yes. The French has I think about 2000 doing about 40 planes.

I never gave that much thought. We always felt that we never had enough people to do the job.

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??? Tell me it's appropriate for me.

If you ever served on a USN CV you would understand why the crew is so large. The crew is not just suppourting the CV. It is assiting the entire battle group in various task.

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Don't the French? And all the others with these ships?

I'd like to post some pix of Kiew
1) in ShanHaiGuan, Shipyard
2) the place of the "Visitors on Deck" pic is unclear, may be Shanhaiguan, also could be Tianjin military theme park - don_t know,

but I am wondering that we don_t get pix out of the theme park here, its a difference to a lot of Minsk-pix we have