Minsk and Kiev

um....i saw from an internet article that Varyag will be commissioned by 2012 and China is buying Su-33s from Russia. What do u guys think about this?

2012? you can complete an already 70% finished carrier in around 2 years and get it commisioned in 3. china has not made any su-33 purchases yet as far as i know.

MIGleader said:

2012? you can complete an already 70% finished carrier in around 2 years and get it commisioned in 3. china has not made any su-33 purchases yet as far as i know.

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Well...we never know...i heard China now has a new fighter, J13, it is clamimed to be as capable as the F-22s.

j-13 wont be rolling out for another 10 years. where did you hear this?

MIGleader said:

j-13 wont be rolling out for another 10 years. where did you hear this?

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I heard this from the CCTV in bejing. Also Jeff Head could u add the kiev class carriers in the pic of the future carrier group and post it in here or send it to me?

I would really appreciate it.
Thanks Jeff.

MIGleader said:

2012? you can complete an already 70% finished carrier in around 2 years and get it commisioned in 3. china has not made any su-33 purchases yet as far as i know.

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Depends on what shape the basic hull is in and how difficult it will be to install a new powerplant. Don't forget the installition of electronics. But yes I think it can be done.

PLABUDDY said:

I heard this from the CCTV in bejing. Also Jeff Head could u add the kiev class carriers in the pic of the future carrier group and post it in here or send it to me?

I would really appreciate it.
Thanks Jeff.

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Here is a Kiev class added to the overhead pic...also added a 51C. Just a "what if". I will post it on the other thread as well "What will the 1st PLAN CBG look like?"

We'll call this a "Heavy CBG":

i doubt the plan would go for something that ambitious in the near future. the kievs, as far as i know, will most likely not be converted to fulll carriers. maybe an indegedous light carrier will escort the veryag into combat.

I tend to agree...but you never know. The two Kiev class hulls seem in pretty good shape and if the PRC wanted to, they are certainly capable of outfitting them.

I believe it is more clear that something specific is planned for the Varyag.

I posted that satellite depiction in response to another poster's request as an indication of what "might" happen, not any kind of statement that anything specific is planned.

Hey Jeff, could you redo the CBG so that its more submarine centric? We might need another view for different possibilities. Or if anyone here has the view of many light carriers that'll be good as well.