Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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Missing MH370: Radar data suggests plane flown deliberately towards Andamans


Military radar-tracking evidence suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown across the Malay peninsula towards the Andaman Islands, sources familiar with the investigation told Reuters on Friday. - PHOTO: GOOGLE MAPS



KUALA LUMPUR: Military radar-tracking evidence suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown across the Malay peninsula towards the Andaman Islands, sources familiar with the investigation told Reuters on Friday.

Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 was following a route between navigational waypoints - indicating it was being flown by someone with aviation training - when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast.

The last plot on the military radar's tracking suggested the plane was flying towards India's Andaman Islands, a chain of isles between the Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal, they said.

Waypoints are geographic locations, worked out by calculating longitude and latitude, that help pilots navigate along established air corridors.

A third source familiar with the investigation said inquiries were focusing increasingly on the theory that someone who knew how to fly a plane deliberately diverted the flight, with 239 people on board, hundreds of miles off its intended course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

"What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards," said that source, a senior Malaysian police official.

All three sources declined to be identified because they were not authorised to speak to the media and due to the sensitivity of the investigation.

Officials at the Transport Ministry did not return calls seeking comment.

Malaysian police have previously said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew had personal or psychological problems that might shed light on the mystery, along with the possibility of a hijacking, sabotage or mechanical failure.

The comments by the three sources are the first clear indication that foul play is the main focus of official suspicions in the Boeing 777's disappearance.

As a result of the new evidence, the sources said, multinational search efforts were being stepped up in the Andaman Sea and also the Indian Ocean.

In one of the most baffling mysteries in modern aviation, no trace of the plane nor any sign of wreckage has been found despite a search by the navies and military aircraft of more than a dozen countries.

The last sighting of the aircraft on civilian radar screens came shortly before 1.30am Malaysian time last Saturday, less than an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur, as the plane flew northeast across the mouth of the Gulf of Thailand. That put the plane on Malaysia's east coast.

Malaysia's air force chief said on Wednesday an aircraft that could have been the missing plane was plotted on military radar at 2.15am, 200 miles (320km) northwest of Penang Island off Malaysia's west coast.

This position marks the limit of Malaysia's military radar in that part of the country, a fourth source familiar with the investigation told Reuters.

When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said it was "a sensitive issue" that he was not going to reveal.

"Even if it doesn't extend beyond that, we can get the cooperation of the neighbouring countries," he said.

The fact that the aircraft - if it was MH370 - had lost contact with air traffic control and was invisible to civilian radar suggested someone aboard had turned its communication systems off, the first two sources said.

They also gave new details on the direction in which the unidentified aircraft was heading - following aviation corridors identified on maps used by pilots as N571 and P628.

These routes are taken by commercial planes flying from South-East Asia to the Middle East or Europe and can be found in public documents issued by regional aviation authorities.

In a far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, the first two sources said the last confirmed position of MH370 was at 35,000 feet about 90 miles (44km) off the east coast of Malaysia, heading towards Vietnam, near a navigational waypoint called "Igari".

The time was 1.21am.

The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called "Vampi", northeast of Indonesia's Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.

From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called "Gival", south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called "Igrex", on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

The time was then 2.15am. That's the same time given by the air force chief on Wednesday, who gave no information on that plane's possible direction.

The sources said Malaysia was requesting raw radar data from neighbours Thailand, Indonesia and India, which has a naval base in the Andaman Islands. - The Straits Times/ANN/Reuters
 

broadsword

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This is not good news at all. Honestly after so many hopes and corrections, I don't even know to believe in this or not, especially earlier we had someone unauthorized from the same agency spilling unauthorized messages.

The 2 things I have to say at this time:

1. I feel more and more bad for the family with the passing day, and even starting to find myself slightly caught on this with a bit of personal level to it too. This is mainly because the news had been going on for so long, and the search days is racking up. I know for a fact that if this takes too long, eventually all the agencies may literally give up the search and then this goes in history as a mystery disappearance, which I seriously hate to see.

2. With each passing day, chances for proper forensic investigations and conditions of all (in)organic evidence and autopsy becomes harder.

Seismic reading is too subjective compared with the Indian Ocean theory which is backed up with data from the plane and military radar
 
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Isn't there a big Indian military base on the Andaman Islands? I don't know what range radars they might have there but have they confirmed anything?

In terms of the Chinese underwater seismic readings, the location seems too close to the last contact location to not already have been searched since so much time has passed. Just a guess.

Even though a lot of leads that have been made public knowledge, officially or otherwise, have turned up nothing I think it is better that there is communication going on with the public regarding educated guesses that quickly gets investigated. Clearly a lot of people are trying to help and it shows that the actual investigators are paying rapt attention and pursuing all leads quickly.

Hopefully any and all inadequacies revealed by the handling of this crisis will be lessons learned for everyone and improvements will be made for both those affected and for posterity.
 

SampanViking

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Seismic reading is too subjective compared with the Indian Ocean theory which is backed up with data from the plane and military radar

Which assumes of course that all parties are telling the truth.
Not wishing to vanish over the horizon into conspiracy theory land, but it is impossible to ignore certain factors.

1) Highly questionable circumstances of disappearance
2) Highly questionable level of information given by Malay authorities and possibly others.

All of which takes place against a background of the most heightened tension between East and West in decades and involves; of all things, a plane bound for Beijing.

Of course sometimes there are simply bizarre accidents which are compounded by nothing more sinister than incompetence. Irrespective however, if there was anybody of any significance or carrying something significant on the plane, then Beijing is highly unlikely to give the benefit of the doubt.
I do detect more than a little of this in the way that evidence from China is being downplayed by the Malay's and from the increasing anger being expressed by the Chinese authorities. In that light the this downplaying of Chinese evidence and the trumpeting of the Indian Ocean location, could easily start to look like disinformation.
 

kwaigonegin

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Isn't there a big Indian military base on the Andaman Islands? I don't know what range radars they might have there but have they confirmed anything?

In terms of the Chinese underwater seismic readings, the location seems too close to the last contact location to not already have been searched since so much time has passed. Just a guess.

Even though a lot of leads that have been made public knowledge, officially or otherwise, have turned up nothing I think it is better that there is communication going on with the public regarding educated guesses that quickly gets investigated. Clearly a lot of people are trying to help and it shows that the actual investigators are paying rapt attention and pursuing all leads quickly.

Hopefully any and all inadequacies revealed by the handling of this crisis will be lessons learned for everyone and improvements will be made for both those affected and for posterity.

Yes, I already mentioned that in my previous post. It's the Andaman Nicobar station and the CAR NIC AFB.. If the plane was within couple hundred miles from it I'm quite certain the primary radar would've seen it. Now weather the operators did anything with it or have analyze the data remains to be seen. It also begs a question if you have an unidentified aircraft flying silent coming in your direction why wasn't fighters scrambled by the IAF?

Some folks are speculating this was the path MH370 took which would indicate deliberate actions by a trained person and not some bozo just flying the plane since it was tracking established waypoints.

IF indeed that was the path she took the Indian military absolutely needs to share this data with the search parties!

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IGARI- VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX


This entire episode is getting stranger and stranger!!!!!!!!!
 
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So have Indian authorities confirmed that they also have data that the plane flew west, or that far west? Or are they just going along with what the Malaysians, and the American aircraft experts, are saying regarding that?

Parts of that flight path looks close enough to (or actually goes over) either Thai or Indonesian territory that they could have radar coverage of those areas, have authorities from either of those countries been asked, looked into, or volunteered any information regarding this westward flight path?

I am just trying to keep track of who is corroborating what evidence for which direction/where the plane was detected.
 
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Which assumes of course that all parties are telling the truth.
Not wishing to vanish over the horizon into conspiracy theory land, but it is impossible to ignore certain factors.

1) Highly questionable circumstances of disappearance
2) Highly questionable level of information given by Malay authorities and possibly others.

All of which takes place against a background of the most heightened tension between East and West in decades and involves; of all things, a plane bound for Beijing.

Of course sometimes there are simply bizarre accidents which are compounded by nothing more sinister than incompetence. Irrespective however, if there was anybody of any significance or carrying something significant on the plane, then Beijing is highly unlikely to give the benefit of the doubt.
I do detect more than a little of this in the way that evidence from China is being downplayed by the Malay's and from the increasing anger being expressed by the Chinese authorities. In that light the this downplaying of Chinese evidence and the trumpeting of the Indian Ocean location, could easily start to look like disinformation.

Not to mention following a series of unusual terror attacks against Chinese targets.

I think you have a valid question but I doubt there is anything special about this flight making it the target of a conspiracy. Aside from it being a random target of either terrorists or someone wanting to commit insurance fraud by suicide, and that's a stretch.
 

joshuatree

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LhlXtPE.jpg


IGARI- VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX


This entire episode is getting stranger and stranger!!!!!!!!!

There are some holes in the latest theory. If the plane was trying to go by these waypoints, wouldn't civilian and military radar have picked up a non-scheduled, non-communicating bogey by any of those bordering countries - Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, India? Now if the theory is that the plane flew below radar, that's a much lower altitude and would it have enough fuel to even do this? It's still over a very busy shipping lane so wouldn't ships notice an unusually low plane passing overhead?

The only positive note from this zig-zag route is that those waters potentially are shallower than the open Indian Ocean.
 

joshuatree

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Isn't there a big Indian military base on the Andaman Islands? I don't know what range radars they might have there but have they confirmed anything?

In terms of the Chinese underwater seismic readings, the location seems too close to the last contact location to not already have been searched since so much time has passed. Just a guess.

Even though a lot of leads that have been made public knowledge, officially or otherwise, have turned up nothing I think it is better that there is communication going on with the public regarding educated guesses that quickly gets investigated. Clearly a lot of people are trying to help and it shows that the actual investigators are paying rapt attention and pursuing all leads quickly.

Hopefully any and all inadequacies revealed by the handling of this crisis will be lessons learned for everyone and improvements will be made for both those affected and for posterity.

If this is in Malaysian waters, I hope Malaysia will allow Chinese ships to search that coordinate and I hope the Chinese ships will take a look if they believe the seismic readings warrant investigating. While the big focus now is in the Andaman and Indian Ocean, there's still no confirmation of wreckage so a two prong approach is not wasteful at all. Although the area may have been searched, keep in mind, not all SAR assets have sonar.
 
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