Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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Sharp Changes in Altitude and Course After Jet Lost Contact
By MICHAEL FORSYTHE and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDTMARCH 14, 2014

SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane descending unevenly to 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the country’s largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean.

Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines that shows it descending 40,000 feet in the space of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would most likely have taken longer to fall such a distance.

“A lot of stock cannot be put in the altitude data” sent from the engines, one official said. “A lot of this doesn’t make sense.”

The data, while incomplete and difficult to interpret, could still provide critical new clues as investigators try to determine what happened on Flight 370, which disappeared early last Saturday carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Malaysian and international investigators have said in recent days that the plane may have departed from its northerly flight route toward Beijing and headed west across the Malaysian peninsula just after it disappeared from civilian radar, its pilots stopped communicating with ground controllers and its transponders stopped transmitting data about its speed and location. The plane is also now thought to have continued flying for more than four hours after diverting its course, based on automated pings sent by onboard systems to satellites.

But the Malaysian military radar data, which local authorities have declined to provide to the public, added significant new information about the flight immediately after ground controllers lost contact with it. The combination of altitude changes and at least two significant course corrections could have a variety of explanations, including that a pilot or a hijacker intentionally diverted the plane, or that it flew unevenly without a pilot after the crew became disabled.

The erratic movements of the aircraft after it diverted course and flew over the country also raise questions about why the military did not respond to the flight emergency. Malaysian officials have acknowledged that military radar may have detected the plane, but have said they took no action because it did not appear hostile.

Seven days after the jet’s disappearance, Malaysian authorities have shared few details with American investigators, frustrating senior officials in Washington. “They’re keeping us at a distance,” one of the officials said.

But investigators in Malaysia and the United States recently began receiving additional data about the plane and anticipate receiving more over the weekend, according to a senior American official. “It’s gotten better and better every day,” the official said, referring to information from the plane’s manufacturer, satellites and military radar. “It should provide more clarity to the flight path. It’s not a given, but it’s a hope.”

Because the plane stopped transmitting its position about 40 minutes after takeoff, military radar recorded only an unidentified blip moving through Malaysian airspace. Certain weather conditions, and even flocks of birds, can occasionally cause radar blips that may be mistaken for aircraft. The Malaysian authorities said they were still studying the signals to determine whether they came from Flight 370.

But the person who examined the data said it leaves little doubt that the airliner flew near or through the southern tip of Thailand, then back across Peninsular Malaysia, near the city of Penang, and out over the sea again. That is in part because the data is based on signals recorded by two radar stations, at the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s Butterworth base on the peninsula’s west coast, near Penang, and at Kota Bharu, on the northeast coast. Two radars tracking a contact can significantly increase the reliability of the readings.

Still, Ravi Madavaram, an aerospace engineer at the consulting firm Frost & Sullivan based in Kuala Lumpur, said the accuracy of ground-based radars in determining a plane’s altitude diminishes the farther away the plane is. When Flight 370 lost contact with ground controllers, it was more than 100 miles from Kota Bharu and 200 miles from Butterworth, distances that he said could degrade accuracy. But the altitudes measured as the plane crossed the peninsula would be more reliable, he said.

A senior aircraft industry executive in the United States said the account of Flight 370’s behavior emerging from the Malaysian military radar information matched what their officials were being told. “Everything we have heard is consistent with the plane flying under the control of someone with at least some flying experience,” the industry executive said, asking not to be identified by name because of the tense nature of the conversation now underway with the Malaysian authorities.

Military radar last recorded the aircraft flying at an altitude of 29,500 feet, about 200 miles northwest of Penang and headed toward India’s Andaman Islands. The normal cruising altitude of a long-range commercial jetliner is between 30,000 and 40,000 feet.

Cengiz Turkoglu, a senior lecturer in aeronautical engineering at City University London who specializes in aviation safety, said a deliberate act in the cockpit could cause a radical change in altitude. “It is extremely difficult for an aircraft to physically, however heavy it might be, to free fall,” he said.

An Asia-based pilot of a Boeing 777-200, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to reporters, said an ascent above the plane’s service limit of 43,100 feet, along with a depressurized cabin, could have rendered the passengers and crew unconscious, and could be a deliberate maneuver by a pilot or a hijacker.

Other experts said that altitude changes would be expected if the pilots became disabled after the plane’s autopilot was disengaged. Changes in the weight distribution on the plane as fuel burned off would make the plane descend and climb repeatedly, though changes in course would be harder to explain.

American officials were concerned in the first few days after the plane went missing that terrorists had brought it down. But as investigators have examined the flight manifest and looked into the two Iranian men who were on the plane traveling with stolen passports, they have become convinced that there is no clear connection to terrorism.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewed family members of the Iranian men and used computer programs to determine whether they had ties to terrorists. Those efforts showed no such connections, leading the investigators to believe the men were smugglers.

The data, the official said, “leads them to believe that it either ran out of fuel or crashed right before it ran out of fuel.”

It would take a long runway to land a plane of that size, the official said. Although the radius that the plane could have flown extends into South Asia, the official added, “the idea it could cross into Indian airspace and not get picked up made no sense.”

Michael Forsythe reported from Sepang, Malaysia, and Michael S. Schmidt from Washington. David E. Sanger contributed reporting from Washington.

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broadsword

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We can rule out that it landed.

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My hunch is one of the pilots did it. I doubt there was a passenger on board who happened to be an experienced pilot who talked his way into the cockpit and overpowered the pilots. To have a sexy broad as that person is too implausible. If it was a hijacking by passengers, the pilots had the time and opportunity to activate the alert given the four hour journey to the Indian Ocean.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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We can rule out that it landed.

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My hunch is one of the pilots did it. I doubt there was a passenger on board who happened to be an experienced pilot who talked his way into the cockpit and overpowered the pilots. To have a sexy broad as that person is too implausible. If it was a hijacking by passengers, the pilots had the time and opportunity to activate the alert given the four hour journey to the Indian Ocean.

If the NYT article is accurate they might not have been a pilot. given the fact that the 777 actually went well over it's rated max altitude.
 

SteelBird

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If it is true the plane flew to Indian Ocean, this is clear that it is no longer an accident. It is a hijacking, but by who? The pilots themselves? Or some terrorists were on board?
 

joshuatree

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If the NYT article is accurate they might not have been a pilot. given the fact that the 777 actually went well over it's rated max altitude.

Would that kill the passengers? Maybe that was intended? So no more people trying to come through the cockpit door?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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from the description of the event the 777 was in a near vertical climb nose up tail down. a first class passenger who falls out of his seat would probably hit the back wall with all the force of falling down a 13 story building that's not accounting for G forces.
 

broadsword

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from the description of the event the 777 was in a near vertical climb nose up tail down. a first class passenger who falls out of his seat would probably hit the back wall with all the force of falling down a 13 story building that's not accounting for G forces.

Unlike a fighter jet, a commercial airliner takes more time to pitch near vertical without stalling and so passengers would have more time to cling on. Those who fail to cling on would slide and those who lost their grip would most likely have their fall broken by walls, seats, etc. but could still suffer serious injury or death even if not like falling down a 13 storey building.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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that's true but remember it's not just the people falling onto empty seats, it's bags and luggage it's the Stewardesses cart and people hitting not empty seats but seats with people in them and people hanging on.
 
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