Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

FairAndUnbiased said:

1. early warning data to ensure no possibility of a surprise first strike

2. sharing satellite data when Chinese satellites are not overhead and particularly for northern regions where Russian satellite orbits have better coverage

3. guaranteed oil/gas supply

4. guaranteed safe north to deny enemies entry

5. ground based radar and AWAC data monitoring Sea of Japan

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tphuang said:

I literally posted that article just 3 posts above!

Seriously though. Let's discuss the importance of China/Russia tie in this context. Given that China only has mutual defense treaty with North Korea that we know about, establishing one with Russia is a pretty big step. If this does exist, then Russia at minimum will have to help china in some ways in a possible Taiwan conflict, even if they don't contribute militarily.

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Andy1974 said:

They also have a mutual security agreement with Solomon Islands. It’s a great template for more types of these agreements with other countries.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506845794728837120

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zhangjim said:

So things you think are too simple.
The Ukrainian war is regarded by many Chinese anti Russian factions as another expansion of Russian chauvinism, and should actively participate in containment of Russia,
Historically, Russia has really hurt too many of its neighbors.
The entire northern fringe of China was captured by Russia. Mongolia's independence has deprived China of the entire northern strategic buffer zone, as well as the territory of millions of square kilometers in the Far East(even including the population expulsion and slaughter led by Tsar Nicholas II).
Up to now, all the major cities in the Far East must use the place names of China in the past on the map of China. You can see the true attitude of the Chinese government towards this area.

China's nongovernmental commercial activities in the Far East are not pleasant. The Russians always confiscate the farmland contracted by the Chinese in the Far East for various reasons.
In addition, as if on purpose, the Russians have built bridges over the Tumen River (China's only outlet to the sea in the Far East) that are impassable to large ships.

We have ample reasons to believe that Russia does not want the Chinese to have too much activity in the Far East. The idea you put forward must be based on sufficient trust between the two sides, but the Russians are obviously taking strict precautions against us in the Far East.

One additional sentence: Russians have no scruple about the feelings of the Chinese on this historical issue, and their behavior will only further aggravate anti Russian sentiment. Even Deng said, "In history, the Russians have taken the most territory from us".

The Russians should thank the Soviet era. Our friendship for the Russians is entirely based on the memory of communism.

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abc123 said:

Classical example of modern Chinese diplomacy- offend all around you and elephant in the China-shop- attitude. And then- wondering why all neighbours are against you. A case in point- South China Sea. Maximalistic demands based on some spurious historical reasons- managed to offend anyone in SCS.

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Biscuits said:

Who exactly is offended? Last I checked ASEAN is supporting bilateral talks between resource rights in the SCS.

The SCS claims are normal in the context of negotiation, the islands are within China's international borders, and the point of the 9 dash line is to collect the areas. This is unusual, but if ASEAN does not object to it or is negotiating over it, who are we to condemn it?

Only major country next to China that's against it is potentially India, but its doubtful exactly how much from India is empty boasting because they're still in the SCO. Every other country is either sworn neutrality or allied.

Of course as you go further away from the immediate borders, there's occupied Korea, Japland and the aborigine genocider. And why these countries, filled with war criminals or occupied by war criminals, are the enemies of China, you don't need to be very smart to realize.

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Biscuits said:

lmao I guess if USA invades us, the mighty Solomon islands are contractually obliged to send forces to assist.

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Biscuits said:

Who exactly is offended? Last I checked ASEAN is supporting bilateral talks between resource rights in the SCS.

The SCS claims are normal in the context of negotiation, the islands are within China's international borders, and the point of the 9 dash line is to collect the areas. This is unusual, but if ASEAN does not object to it or is negotiating over it, who are we to condemn it?

Only major country next to China that's against it is potentially India, but its doubtful exactly how much from India is empty boasting because they're still in the SCO. Every other country is either sworn neutrality or allied.

Of course as you go further away from the immediate borders, there's occupied Korea, Japland and the aborigine genocider. And why these countries, filled with war criminals or occupied by war criminals, are the enemies of China, you don't need to be very smart to realize.

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WarAndPeace said:

Taiwan is far more vulnerable than Ukraine. Unlike Ukraine which has a fairly sparse population, Taiwan is very densely populated. Taking out the power plants and substations would be devastating for Taiwan.

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