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Div

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Spruts have been modified by the Russians. It has decent thermals and optics now. Indians get your orders in quick before they're sold out.

Also let's not forget the journalists jailed and killed in India. No better possibly worse than China. At least with China, they just toe the official lines which though filled with political bias, report the facts. I challenge people to find Chinese official media lying about things. Indian media and government have frequently lied about things in contrast.

So they media and government are different. Sure China's is one party and unified narrative but at least the narrative is based on facts and open for others to challenge when it is incorrect. India's is simply a mess and let's not forget India's 5 million fake news publications and India's IT Cell brigade. China censors internal dialogue and observe them. India tries to shape global narratives but few believe their shit only when they talk nonsense about China do the west bother to say a token yeah yeah that's right. Rest of the time India is ignored.

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Oh it should also be added again that India performs the world's most frequent internet blackouts and shutdowns to censor "free" media and peoples. Also to avoid real information getting out to the public. How free of India.
The last 3 are bad about journalist getting arrested

But if we can influence decision makes to take our stand what's wrong with that do you know how many articles Thier are of Chinese influence and spying in the us
Just last year Thier was a Chinese driver spy arrested in us

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Of course news websites by India support India don't be delusional that china dosent buy foreign media
 

KenC

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This free media concept is useful but empty concept. All media are in one way or another influenced by the owners and pay masters.
Thus free media are just corporate media and operates within its own peculiar environment. Is it more objective and have less fakes news than state owned media? I don't think so.
 

Div

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See the self own. I quoted Media conglomerates who are on TV and enjoy 100x the reach these online news portal do. You quoted Online Media orgs who survive on public donations & barely throw in few articles here and there which are critical of the Govt . Media freedom lol.

Also if you think Shekhar Gupta owned Print is Anti Modi then you need a mental checkup.

And No im not a Pakistani. But thats the typical Bhakt way of diverting from the issue.
Still they are anti modi and surviving in india right I would not like a comparison right now but if you do let me know
He does write anti modi articles any newspaper owned by Congress is anti modi
 

tallgamer

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People from controlled societies confuse a free society with being a 100 % free and perfect society.
And its disturbing that most of the Chinese here are based in the west and have experienced first hand what freedom is.
Their is no such thing as absolute freedom.
Till the 90s when communal riots were quite common, the media would not and could not publish the name of the community effected in a riot. This was to prevent escalation as both communities were unsure who was at the recieving end. And i can assure you muslims were much more reactive till the 90s to any perceived insult or slight and would riot quite easily.
So this was a self imposed restriction by the old media.
But social media has made all this self censorship irrelevant and this is gone from the national media.
2ndly Indian states look after law and order. The central government cannot physically enter a state without imposing emergency. Which is very rare now since exit of indira Gandhi.
You saw this in west Bengal where the central forces on election duty faced a lot of hostility from the opposition party which is ruling. With allegations of the central forces helping bjp etc , till the bjp lost badly. Then they shut up.
The problem is not freedom as much as the media houses choosing camps. Not only in India but same phenomenon in usa. Like cnn is so virulently against trump that its coverage is totally biased.
So freedom is required not only from official sources but freedom from political bias is more important.
All the violence you have enumerated is more from local power centres and very scant from central government.
In India journalists are undoubtedly harrassed by the government but its done officially. And they are normally out on bail in a short period. As the governments know it wont stand in court.
Its more dangerous when like in Pakistan journalists are shot and no enquiry takes place or they are picked up by the isi in unmarked vehicles and disappear for months. And on release dont say a word about their absence.
China is a different category where people have no rights. Its all for the party. Like people are being picked up in hk and imprisoned for long terms under dubious laws.
In mainland China with 99.6 % conviction rate, you have zero redressal chances and just keep your mouth shut. People are like machine parts. To be used and discarded.
 

tallgamer

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When is the free Indian press going to show us a video of their much vaunted T-90s shooting their guns at high altitude? How can you showcase the effectiveness and deadliness of your tanks if all they do is roll across flat terrain at a slow pace? Wouldn’t using farming tractors have achieved the same purpose?

Whats your point exactly ? That its difficult to use t90 guns in high altitude ?
Maneuvering i can understand with the fuel air ratio becoming rich but as long as ranging is done , the thin air shouldn't be a issue for the guns.
IA did similar ranging for its artillery pieces a long time ago in ladakh and other high altitude areas adjoining Pakistan.
 

siegecrossbow

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Whats your point exactly ? That its difficult to use t90 guns in high altitude ?
Maneuvering i can understand with the fuel air ratio becoming rich but as long as ranging is done , the thin air shouldn't be a issue for the guns.
IA did similar ranging for its artillery pieces a long time ago in ladakh and other high altitude areas adjoining Pakistan.

My point is that I’ve never seen the Indian T-90 fire it’s guns at high altitude. I don’t think that it has anything to do with the guns, which probably performs superbly. But given how much the Indian media has been amping up the T-90 as the destroyer of Chinese armor we’ve never seen it doing what a basic tank does, which is live fire against a target. Not the main gun, heck not even the coaxial machine gun.

Is this due to a lack of ammo or fear of wearing out the tank barrels, which have to be imported from Russia, prematurely, or is there some magical secret anti-tank round that we are not aware of that India is keeping under wraps? I don’t know. What I do know is that ballistics work very differently at higher altitudes due to lower air density. An errant gust of wind is enough to throw artillery rounds dozens or even hundreds of meters off the mark. I also know that recalibrating artillery, tank guns, and missiles require hundreds, if not thousands of live rounds, under all sorts of weather conditions. I don’t think those are conditions that the Russian manufacturers had in mind when they designed the T-90.
 

Xizor

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People from controlled societies confuse a free society with being a 100 % free and perfect society.
And its disturbing that most of the Chinese here are based in the west and have experienced first hand what freedom is.
China is a different category where people have no rights. Its all for the party. Like people are being picked up in hk and imprisoned for long terms under dubious laws.
In mainland China with 99.6 % conviction rate, you have zero redressal chances and just keep your mouth shut. People are like machine parts. To be used and discarded.
More curry vomit.

Reread what you typed in when you are sober. You just spouted statements that isn't based on truth but what you perceive it to be after getting indoctrinated by your "free" media.

Zero redressal chances? People are like machines? People picked up in HK and put under dubious laws? People have no rights in China?

Hilarious.
 

Nobaron

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People from controlled societies confuse a free society with being a 100 % free and perfect society.
And its disturbing that most of the Chinese here are based in the west and have experienced first hand what freedom is.
Their is no such thing as absolute freedom.
Till the 90s when communal riots were quite common, the media would not and could not publish the name of the community effected in a riot. This was to prevent escalation as both communities were unsure who was at the recieving end. And i can assure you muslims were much more reactive till the 90s to any perceived insult or slight and would riot quite easily.
So this was a self imposed restriction by the old media.
But social media has made all this self censorship irrelevant and this is gone from the national media.
2ndly Indian states look after law and order. The central government cannot physically enter a state without imposing emergency. Which is very rare now since exit of indira Gandhi.
You saw this in west Bengal where the central forces on election duty faced a lot of hostility from the opposition party which is ruling. With allegations of the central forces helping bjp etc , till the bjp lost badly. Then they shut up.
The problem is not freedom as much as the media houses choosing camps. Not only in India but same phenomenon in usa. Like cnn is so virulently against trump that its coverage is totally biased.
So freedom is required not only from official sources but freedom from political bias is more important.
All the violence you have enumerated is more from local power centres and very scant from central government.
In India journalists are undoubtedly harrassed by the government but its done officially. And they are normally out on bail in a short period. As the governments know it wont stand in court.
Its more dangerous when like in Pakistan journalists are shot and no enquiry takes place or they are picked up by the isi in unmarked vehicles and disappear for months. And on release dont say a word about their absence.
China is a different category where people have no rights. Its all for the party. Like people are being picked up in hk and imprisoned for long terms under dubious laws.
In mainland China with 99.6 % conviction rate, you have zero redressal chances and just keep your mouth shut. People are like machine parts. To be used and discarded.
Come on lil guy, dont be ashamed of embracing what you are.
You know, this western propaganda that you have been taught in Utopian States of P--nHub & trying to con people with are too outdated. Poor colony india didnt even get upgrade in syllabus, so bad. :(:(
You see, "the free society" consisting of colonizing convicts & criminals forgot to tell you, You don't need a country to be free. You can do that in jungle of amazon, like the failed wannabe Disneyland that is Utopian States .
The basis of being a citizen of a country is- I am loyal to my motherland to the last breath. I am everything that my country needs me to be.
Of course, you, the indians, calling you in your rented names, would not understand that because your "country" is actually a British empire bred colony, whatever it made you to be, like other "free societies" on Native america or aboriginia.

Poor indians need to do better than that to "counter" us in internet, at least your masters in west know how to make up "evidence". You indians, you are just so worse. Not that we expected you to be better in standard in list of loyalist pets, but sure you bark too much. No wonder even your masters find your service worthless.
Chillax, take it easy
 

twineedle

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Still they are anti modi and surviving in india right I would not like a comparison right now but if you do let me know
He does write anti modi articles any newspaper owned by Congress is anti modi
The fact that he thinks India today is overwhelmingly pro gov. says enough.
 
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