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ougoah

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Wait have you guys visited India and China and looked at this forum for years and compared it with barat rakshak and Defence Forum India?

We have thin skin? Hilariously wrong. Look at how Indians behave when people don't accept their narratives.

Anyway we are really just trying to make people realise the truth.

Indians often regard their society as pure, democratic, functional, free, without censorship and violence. It is the exact opposite. We already know China is imperfect and the society is run in a certain authoritarian fashion.

It is Indians proclaiming India to be xyz when it is abc. We're trying to make people realise the truth of India and how much Indians talk utter shit.

Indians online make things up about China and whatnot by themselves and propagate false narratives then believe their own bullshit and act upon them. This isn't a good way to live life and to have a society.

India is constantly in a state of self delusion and then they act upon bad information they themselves convinced themselves of and blunder.

How else can you explain why India went from being top dog in Asia to being the scumpool it is today? It industrialised after Japan and was started off by the British. It had all the institutions that were proven to work reasonably well. Took all that and then faltered. Then blame Pakistan, blame China, blame UK and colonialism. Sure colonialism did plenty of ill on its victims but with India it also gave India models, institutions, infrastructure.

The answer is because Indians in a majority are constantly in a state of denial and self delusion. Self delusion about what others are like and have done to them and delusion about how great you are.
 
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I think there are incorrect perceptions both Indians and Chinese have about each other. For example about Muslims, poverty in case of India and people being total slaves of communists in China. There is never a black and white version. You have to add lot more colours to arrive at a true picture. Both are thoroughly inaccurate perceptions.
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Yes and almost all Chinese understand this but with Indians... well.

Look around the internet. It's almost never Chinese saying "this is what I think and it's certainly right everyone say it with me!" but with Indians that's exactly all they ever do.

Indians make proclamations and treat it as the full and absolute truth. They think all Chinese are brainwashed communists. They think covid killed millions of Chinese and government hides it. They think if you step out of line in China you disappear. They will claim anything their stupid minds invent and treat it as if it is an absolute truth and act upon inaccurate "information"/delusion.

Why do East Asians not take this path? Because we are culturally more realistic. We are more pragmatic. We do not like indulging in self delusion. It is what it is and it is damn important to get the proper comprehensive understanding of complex things. With Indians it's a simple black and white all the time. China copies therefore Chinese have never and can never invent anything. Well where's the reality? India cannot even produce a DJI to say nothing of Huawei or the hundreds of Chinese corporations that amount to more than any Indian "equivalent" ever has.

What India does is take Chinese daily use cleverly designed products from aliexpress and street vendors pretend it's invented and made in india. It's beyond pathetic.
 
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They claim China is expanding Chinese media. Just like Russia Today can be considered Russian propaganda being expanded into more platforms and access the world.

This isn't the same as India creating over 200 fake news publications to report news the Indians completely made up.

RT and CCTV etc are still based on reality. They have political bias and choose to report on certain focuses but unlike the Indian ones, they do not create their own fictional material.

For example. A Chinese media report on Capital riots will use a bias that suggest there is deep social political problems in the US. An Indian one would make up news about Su-35 from PLAAF being shot down by Taiwan even though the event didn't happen. Do you understand the difference.

The West is very much wanting to keep every other media platform out of reach as much as possible. Youtube will make a statement saying this channel is a state run media from country X. It can and wants to outright ban platforms and specific publications. Indians just make their stories up entirely.

The other aspect of "influencing media"... well this is my point. They claim it but it doesn't happen or it is totally ineffective. There is no major mainstream western media that is influenced by China. There are some that are certainly influenced by India.

How can you tell... well not a single major western media publication has a single decent or neutral thing to say about China or relating to China. Yet they will ignore Indian atrocities and material that reflects negatively on India. This is the proof and mind the above difference.

Anyway you will not listen or attempt to understand. Lol where has China ever been able to influence foreign media even if it has tried it has always failed. It knows it'll fail and I doubt it tries to influence media. It's much more likely to succeed at influencing people.
 
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Let's take recent example.

China's LM-5A rocket is a modified "one stage" only wrt core booster (not the four peripheral ones) that delivers a more volumous payload and was used during the core module of China's space station. It completed the mission and delivered the module to correct orbit. The booster reached orbit with the payload and there are greater variables in determining re-entry and landing. However nearly all boosters land back. Not just China's, everyones.

What does the western media talk about? Scary big Chinese rocket booster might fall anywhere. Well the Chinese already said it'll fall between the eastern Pacific and the Indian ocean. It did. Western media never mentioned an achievement or anything positive. Whenever it talked about China's space program it was always with a political bias as well of threat and war.

What does western media say about India's recent failed attempt at a simple satellite launch? Nothing much. Straightforward reporting. It never mentioned it was yet another failure in a long line of failures for the launch vehicle. It never mentioned India's booster is out of control - the Indian booster was much more out of control than the Chinese one.

Does any Indian space launch have booster than collides back to earth? Every single one.

Does the western media ever bother talking about it? Never.

Okay sure this might just be because the West doesn't care for India or its problems and poverty. Only some western people will trashtalk it and often from a racist pov. But does the West put any official effort in thwarting and condemning India? almost never compared to how much they talk against China, Russia, even Iran.

Oh and btw probably should add that launch site matters for this. China has mountainous launch sites in central China and those unfortunately mean any mishaps could result in vehicle or stages landing in unpredictable places. It had little choice since most of China is populated and there are no other launch sites until recently when the Hainan site was completed. India is much luckier in this regard and the mishaps typically can land in the ocean however stages that get much higher when mishaps happen, or end up in orbit, are naturally much less predictable, no more than China's.
 
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ougoah said:
Yes and almost all Chinese understand this but with Indians... well.

Look around the internet. It's almost never Chinese saying "this is what I think and it's certainly right everyone say it with me!" but with Indians that's exactly all they ever do.
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Reading the above, i concede that Chinese like you do have a good sense of humour.
" Indians regard their country as pure , non violent , perfect ...." , well you obviously dont have access to our 24 hrs news channels, which are in the 100s and their job is to sensationalize everything for views. All they show are crime, fights in studios, corruption, etc.
Foreign affairs are maybe 0.5 % of their daily coverage.
 
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Even this thread is full of potshots at India based on negative reporting from Indian press. You are a funny man.
And so you guys copied some western invention like drone and made a lot of these. Good for you.
 
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ougoah said:
Let's take recent example.

China's LM-5A rocket is a modified "one stage" only wrt core booster (not the four peripheral ones) that delivers a more volumous payload and was used during the core module of China's space station. It completed the mission and delivered the module to correct orbit. The booster reached orbit with the payload and there are greater variables in determining re-entry and landing. However nearly all boosters land back. Not just China's, everyones.

What does the western media talk about? Scary big Chinese rocket booster might fall anywhere. Well the Chinese already said it'll fall between the eastern Pacific and the Indian ocean. It did. Western media never mentioned an achievement or anything positive. Whenever it talked about China's space program it was always with a political bias as well of threat and war.

What does western media say about India's recent failed attempt at a simple satellite launch? Nothing much. Straightforward reporting. It never mentioned it was yet another failure in a long line of failures for the launch vehicle. It never mentioned India's booster is out of control - the Indian booster was much more out of control than the Chinese one.

Does any Indian space launch have booster than collides back to earth? Every single one.

Does the western media ever bother talking about it? Never.

Okay sure this might just be because the West doesn't care for India or its problems and poverty. Only some western people will trashtalk it and often from a racist pov. But does the West put any official effort in thwarting and condemning India? almost never compared to how much they talk against China, Russia, even Iran.

Oh and btw probably should add that launch site matters for this. China has mountainous launch sites in central China and those unfortunately mean any mishaps could result in vehicle or stages landing in unpredictable places. It had little choice since most of China is populated and there are no other launch sites until recently when the Hainan site was completed. India is much luckier in this regard and the mishaps typically can land in the ocean however stages that get much higher when mishaps happen, or end up in orbit, are naturally much less predictable, no more than China's.
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Does any Indian space launch have booster than collides back to earth?

Our launches are tracked by America most likely and they will fall in Indian ocean
As they are launched from islands our location of launch is one of the best better than china atleast BCS it will require less energy as it is located closer to the equator..


Also who says us dosent spy or give us warnings
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Well if Indians didn't constantly only proclaim and troll, picking on such specific stuff to focus on, then they probably wouldn't get trolled and trashtalked back. Pot calling the silverware black isn't sensible for the pot and the pot should expect many to start using the same nonsense and medicine back. Especially considering India has plenty of people who dislike it as well. Maybe not the west since it is convenient now. But now doesn't last forever. At least we are making progress despite the war of words. The west and bitch and moan about China in every way and all it wants. It's already at full capacity and doing not much. Moving forwards and achieving goals is the priority. Not replying and engaging although more of us are because the onslaught from the west is getting comically desperate now.

Do we see the west advancing that much? nope if anything they been revealed to be more full of shit and hot air than most have imagined. Also much less capable as well.

Do we see China progressing? Yes and despite trade war and psychological warfare. Do we see India progressing? Well no more than the slowest mover. Is there more to why this is the case. Yes and I think some of us know (even tried to explain) but the ones with their heads in the sand cannot learn. India can continue doing what it has been doing. Gladly more neighbours are beginning to understand. The west doesn't care for any of us and the wellbeing of these nations. What they think about it is far more removed and biased compared to how the region does. The west is predictable. It will just keep trying to contain and stop China. What it thinks about the region is honestly inaccurate and has little consequence on how things are on the ground.
 
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