I understand what you are saying, but Bhutan has been consistently rejecting China's requests for land swaps in exchange for Southern Doklam going to China. And the entire Doklam Plateau was always disputed land, not a part of China proper, even though China was present in parts. The 2018 standoff happened when China tried to reach the Jampheri ridge.
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Maybe "occupied" was the wrong word to use, fair enough. but my point still stands.
Which parts were disputed always and that China had presence on? Can you show me and back up your claims?
The northern part of the plateau. Like I said, China had built roads there well before 2017. Since both China and Bhutan claim the entire plateau, it is disputed. I don't know why this is so controversial.
Tbvh I am reading through it all (reading between the lines) and I won't be surprised
Infact I am 95% sure of that...
It's controversial? Who said that. You made a claim that this was disputed. I'm asking you to show what location is disputed and prove it is disputed. I'm only aware that the southern part is disputed and that was when China wanted to negotiate with Bhutan for that disputed section. It did it the proper way, diplomatic negotiations where Bhutan could refuse and ask for a better deal than what China offered. It didn't annex it, it wasn't invaded, there was no violence or threats.
Remember that India interjected and stopped the negotiations and at that point there was an impasse. China didn't force anyone to do anything and in fact the result prove all this.
So the thing I am asking for is for you to prove that the northern part where China built its road (that wasn't objected to by India or Bhutan) is disputed and that China certainly used disputed land to build on.
I am not arguing the semantics of whether Chinese action in doklam was right or wrong. But that India thwarted it very publicly by deploying troops in a forward manner. The Chinese saw it as a affront to the new super power and for months their were daily threats as the Indians are rightly viewed as a weaker power. If the Americans had taken such a step , the practical Chinese would have rationalized it away as a superior power having its way.
As someone said its all about face in some cultures and the Chinese thought they had lost face.
The nuclear question is very valid. No use making and maintaining them if the adversary is confident that they wont be used in any circumstances.
Modi has turned some of India's long held behaviors on its head by initiating strikes in Pakistan and doklam. He has introduced a unpredictability in Indian hard power which was absent after indira Gandhi.
Never be predictable.
As someone said its all about face in some cultures and the Chinese thought they had lost face.
The nuclear question is very valid. No use making and maintaining them if the adversary is confident that they wont be used in any circumstances.
Modi has turned some of India's long held behaviors on its head by initiating strikes in Pakistan and doklam. He has introduced a unpredictability in Indian hard power which was absent after indira Gandhi.
Never be predictable.
You are wrong. I have no accounts anywhere except here. I was in a non Indian forum for a very short time some years back but their focus is very different. The subcontinent is not a focus.
Sino defence has my total focus.
Lol keep talking and posturing here buddy. Talking about the use of nukes so casually like your make believe country will continue to even exist as is if it dares to actually to use such a doomsday weapon. I don't think you're an Indian. You are an American from the way you express your wanton disregard for China and Chinese interests like it's beneath you. Indians maybe super proud of their culture and country which is understandable to a certain point but from the ones I encountered online and offline none are these moronic and hubiristic as you.
It's funny reading your angry comments man like keep it up and please enamor us with many of your astute strategic analysis; it's a very humorous read.
India forced China to take one of two routes, either engage in a war with India over the Doklam drama or find another part to connect the road.
China choosing the latter isn't some Indian victory or some affront. It was a good decision. Why would China go to war over a road connection? India put military presence in southern Doklam to make sure negotiations didn't go ahead and even if some bilateral agreement is reached between China and Bhutan, India would not allow it. China chose not to engage India. Is that proof of anything other than China decided a war with India over this road connection isn't worth the trouble?
Yet Indians like to imagine it is proof India is stronger than China simply because China couldn't be bothered and rerouting the road is going to achieve the objective. What China wanted was to connect that road, it needed to use that piece of disputed land. There were other solutions and since it turned from simply negotiating a swap with Bhutan into a war with India just to connect that road, China decided on those other solutions. It has been done and the road has long been connected. And there it is.
There is nothing more to that drama but it is useful to remember that India did interject and place that choice with China, engage militarily or reroute, with China's plans disrupted wrt BRI. So I was using it previously as a reason for why China considers India antagonistic to itself and its interests. This has nothing to do with India. It doesn't threaten India, it doesn't invade or undermine India and yet India wants to mess with BRI because ... well truthfully we all know why.
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