India and Indians will never accept handover of territory under its control. The best that can happen is to accept the areas of actual control and settle it. No exchanges are going to take place.
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They will, as they had before. They are not being asked.
I love the strunnkk rebuttal by ants threatening the boots that crushed them like insects in 1967.
Who were tying those hands in first place?
Now thats what i agree with. Spending conventional arms on insignificant indians or their armed farces would be complete waste. Talibans are far more worthy opponents that indians will ever be in their entire existence.
The only thing i rue here in shortage of uranium reserve to deal with westies & their colonies.
Are you saying India news media is more trusted and credible than foreign news?
I disagree with what you have said (first half) but to each their own. You seem displeased that people aren't agreeing with you. I get that many are also heaping on the insults and exaggerations but you did also initiate many of those.
As for on topic discussion. I doubt India and China will come to blows over this in the next few years. Many reasons for that. Even if India isn't suffering from Modi hopeless handling of covid, there wouldn't be a war in the next few years. India simply doesn't have a chance. You may disagree but we can discuss this with civility. It is a more interesting line of conversation and relatively on topic. If you're interested in discussing this, you can begin that conversation by stating why you think India can fight a border war with China.
As for Doklam, the objective of the Chinese were achieved. I don't think there was a humiliation.
The Chinese talked with Bhutan about building a road through a disputed zone with Bhutan. In exchange for getting the disputed piece, China gave Bhutan another piece which Bhutan wants. India then interjected "on behalf of Bhutan" and stopped the negotiations. China then built the road elsewhere. It wasn't worth the trouble of negotiating with India and Bhutan since India's interjection is there to work against China. Can you not see that though? India interjecting wasn't for its own sake of Bhutan's but just to screw with the plans. It is therefore reasonable for China to view India with suspicion after this whether it was acting under instruction or acting for its own gain (there was none for India).
Since then, China has just built the road around another stretch that isn't disputed. I'm not too familiar with the details but this 2013 drama has long been resolved. I wouldn't consider this a humiliation for anyone and frankly it is strange to read how often Indians want to lap this up as some Indian victory. India has a lot of pull in Bhutan and is legally rightful to interject but the interjection itself makes it a clear suspect with bad intentions for China. Anyway this definitely contributed to greater animosity between the two.
Which territory currently under Indian control are you talking about? India doesn't control the remaining 20% and the parts between the edge of the 20% and what China claims, there is a tiny insignificant slither and China has offered in the past to demarcate WELL east of this claim (whereas India has never offered compromise on Aksai Chin claim it holds).
So two points I'd like to get into especially with Indian perspective (which is actually nice to have in this regard IF it remains civil) is; 1. do you think India has a chance in escalated conventional war with China and why? and 2. Which Indian territory under Indian control will Indian ever accept handover ... presumably to either Chinese control or to become a buffer zone.
Some bahkt's random rants do not even account to a flea's jump. Nonsensical rantings alluding to use of nukes in a most likely a limited border clash only shows how shallow and ineffectual this entire line of garbage is. Don't waste our time here.
Why Indians always like to claim a victory when the reality is completely different?
The victory at Doklam that wasn’t
Over several decades, China’s success in limited territorial grabs has been papered over by several Indian governments, often apparently in the interests of peace and tranquility. The 2017 Doklam stand-off is revealing, even though the territory in question was a matter of dispute between China and Bhutan. India, however, was a party to the because it involved the tri-junction.
The dispute resolution through an agreement that was restricted only to the stand-off site has emboldened China to occupy the rest of the disputed Doklam plateau with military assets, including the creation of permanent roads and military structures. China has, in reality, carried out a blatant aggression of a manifestly disputed territory. But the Narendra Modi government has so far brushed it under the carpet; instead, for the domestic audience, it has managed to sustain the fiction of ‘victory’ at Doklam. The constructions in the area of the Doklam plateau before the confrontation in 2017 and now are revealing.
Nuclear Gandhi is that you?
There's no such thing as tactical nukes between nuclear powers. If you use a tactical nuke, expect to a receive full conventional nuclear strike in return.
Both India and Bhutan were Ok with China's presence in the northern part of the plateau, since China had been present there and was building roads long before 2017. The issue was China unilaterally attempted to extend the road to the south towards Mt. Gipmochi, near an area called Jampheri ridge, without consulting Bhutan. Construction of the road was stopped, and although China has been building roads elsewhere nearby in non-disputed areas, China still hasn't built any roads towards jampheri.
And its not like China would have accepted an agreement favorable to Bhutan. China was willing to offer it some less strategic land in the north in exchange for the Southern part of the Plateau, due to the strategic importance of Jampheri
Recently, China has even tried offering the Sakteng wildlife sanctuary in exchange for South Doklam, despite the fact that the area is already controlled by Bhutan. In addition, China claims that as its territory, even though it does not border China. Though it does border Arunachal's Tawang district.
So it's not like India simply interfered in bilateral Sino-Bhutanese negotiations.
This is a pretty good thread on the topic by the editor of Bhutan's national newspaper, who isn't even overly pro-India.
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