Ladakh Flash Point
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So Indians actually have no clues where exactly is the line they are arguing with China? And these jokers gave awards to pat themselves for being clueless entire time. Jai Hind indeed.
No, lying is easy for you. In dramacratic india, among 1 billion liars, lying is like breathing.
So should be everybody else. But indians should be dealt with boots, as they have been dealt with in galwan.
So?
West if afraid of China too. Chinese built islands are there. West couldn't do s--t.
And yea, you are right, power flows through the barrel of the gun. West can't do anything against China.
USA? internal checks? By whom? People who can't find their country on map?
USA is another colonial bred fantasy infesting native land.
Check your own forums and read the indian poster's fantasy about india the shupa pawah
Aggression is what western colonies undersatnd.China should have taken care of the british colony india long ago.
That's cute. I am sure every body is flattered that some leader of a failed country had "hopes" of building relations.
War footing? What are they gonna do? Beg america for more arms?
There was no peaceniks with indians or any other western colonies.
Lol tell us how you really feel buddy. I mean gee golly now that Indian superpower and it's super duper military have been re-armed to the teeth and by all measures then poor old Communist Red China is surely going to meet it's demise. I mean your seething anger along with your unbridled righteousness, not to mention a certain certitude with your moral indignation reflects your wishful thinking and arrogance that I truly wish that China should grant to put your delusional mind into the proper order of things. You guys couldn't beat us in 1962 when we're dirt poor how much more in today's world when things are somewhat slightly in China's favour economically and militarily.
Keep typing that Jai Hind delusions though because maybe soon enough your wish will be granted so that your Indian soldiers and airmen can have the Chinese tea this time around.
And millions leave. Indians have highest level of illegal immigration.
That's funny. First you say indians leave for the "promised land", then you are talking about "refugees".
But you don't have one. What are you analyzing here? Your people make fake visas, and fly for other countries in droves. Indians can be found begging for jobs even in Africa.
Same exact reason why indians are whining about H1 visas despite your claim of india not being a slum.
Minorities there are true owner of india, not majority hindus, it was the hindus who explicitly said they don't want to fight british empire. What are you talking about 5 years or 12 years? Hindus should have been thrown out of india long ago. But India has been same case like US, where under disguise of dramacracy white made natives minority in their own land . Minority sikh,muslim buddhists, christians are emigrating to India, not hindustan, as your hindu majority would like to claim.
If you read it again I didn't request for your ban. I requested for clean up of clear nonsense and issuing you a warning for off topic and insulting material. You know where you use Indian fake news and troll narratives to say that "all you Chinese are lying and are born liars" etc... paraphrasing but you should be able to see how that is poor behaviour and you're only inviting people to refute you.
You are entitled to your opinions and self delusions. It just doesn't make them correct and true.
Plus saying something like Chinese should be dealt with... do you realise how that sounds. Can I say Indians should be dealt with based on their actions (all their lies) and provocations.
Why is it that India has all the fake news which is identified and expressed as concerning even by the EU? No agency or organisation have ever stated Chinese media have fake news the same way Indian ones are organised. I challenge you to prove where Chinese media have said something incorrect about this issue or indeed any high profile issue. You cannot because ironically that state media is reporting just black and white facts. Why did Indian media lie about the Ladakh fight? They lied about Indians being outnumbered but we know this was untrue since China said the opposite and India tacitly admitted. They lied about a PLA grave and used documentary footage from early 2010s to present as fresh new PLA graves. They lied about Taiwan shooting down a PLAAF Su-35. They lied about there being no issue and no confrontation in Ladakh. They lied about Modi visiting a frontline hospital.
This is but scratching the surface on the number and depth of lies the Indian media and Indian government have created. You know well what those are and they have been discussed many times (assuming you actually read the stuff).
So Indians ought to be "dealt" with. The commander of the IA unit ambushing the PLA was a start to how to deal with Indians. Rest of India should be dealt with according to their actions - mass rape and pillage of Kashmir and crimes against humanity. I say it therefore it is true. Denying me is being a troll and BJP IT Cell operator. lol great logic.
These are not facts.
Aggressive air flights over Taiwan? That has not happened. Stop lying but you can't do that to save your life. When has PLAAF flew over Taiwan island last year? This year there were a few flights that go into Taiwanese ADIZ which is right to border of mainland. So any PLAAF aircraft that leaves the mainland in that direction will technically be a flight over Taiwan's ADIZ but not Taiwan island which again, hasn't happened this year or last year.
These are your personal "undisputed facts".
During covid, India's own previous four star general (VK Singh) admits that Indian troops conducted patrols much more than 10 times as frequently as Chinese ones. Patrols are within the remaining 20% since they are patrols of territory claimed. VK Singh even says PLA barely had a presence there.
India thought China was down with covid and took a chance to de facto control the remaining 20% probably suspecting China will let that go since China has had de facto control of the 80% of legacy dispute.
You are somewhat right about point 3 though. Chinese salami slicing didn't start in the 1990s it started since the 1962 war. India tried to replicate a lot of these methods and mirror developments but were met with aggressive Chinese resistance.
Having said that, this piece of land is indeed Chinese since they were Tibetan. China also fought a war with India over this issue and ceasefire agreements take both sides to pre war positions but Chinese leaders decided to shelf this issue and get busy in other fields. Since both sides refused to compromise and reach agreements on how to demarcate, at least Chinese leaders have offered demarcation and compromise with the border to be set giving India some parts of the remaining 20% but China holding Aksai Chin. Since this is unacceptable to Indian leaders due to Aksai Chin being the least of their desires, we have this standoff. It isn't so one sided like you might think.
I don't think Xi pushed India into the American camp. There is less antipathy to US than there is to China in military and political support of Pakistan. This has been the case for decades and yet China and India even had cooperative projects in the past - LCA was one. So this new stuff while taking place under Xi and Modi, isn't exactly just their doing. The antipathy was there with this border conflict and the same Tibet issue China has with India and Pakistan issue India has with China were always there even during times with no tension and even some hints at cooperation. So what has changed? India has indeed moved further in the American camp. I don't think this is in response to China's support of Pakistan which hasn't increased since that era.
Personally I think it was sparked by Doklam argument over road and bilateral agreements between China and Bhutan. Combined with China going ahead with the roads and India then choosing to open up other fronts where they can disrupt China. That all condenses into China viewing India as working against its interests and meeting Indian moves with aggression. Cycle is there.
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And yet again there will be dozens of pages wasted with off topic material. If both sides of the argument can reign it in with the insult and exaggerations, it could make it just a few pages worth of garbage. This is the only thread that is under two years old and over a thousand pages long.
@ougoah Demarcation and delineation of the LAC would indeed be India's long term goal with regards to relations with China. The problem is, as I have said before, that China is refusing any such agreement that does not include Tawang as a part of China. I am pretty sure China would indeed be willing to make concessions in Ladakh/Aksai Chin if India cedes Tawang, though that would be off-limits for India.
Similarly, India would probably cede its claims to the remaining Ladakh disputes if China recognizes the McMahon line in the East. Though that won't happen, since Tawang is far more important for China than Ladakh. So in the absence of any major deescalation agreement, which would also likely be temporary, the most likely scenario would be both sides continuing to face off roughly in the middle of the remaining disputed areas in the Western sector, as they are now.
Similarly, India would probably cede its claims to the remaining Ladakh disputes if China recognizes the McMahon line in the East. Though that won't happen, since Tawang is far more important for China than Ladakh. So in the absence of any major deescalation agreement, which would also likely be temporary, the most likely scenario would be both sides continuing to face off roughly in the middle of the remaining disputed areas in the Western sector, as they are now.
Yes it seems it is similar to the old compromise offered by China back when it offered to swap Arunachal Pradesh with Aksai Chin. Both sides still have their own "this is my limit" but I suspect a lot of that is done for bargaining power rather than of actual strategic interest.
China refuses to recognise the McMahon line because the British unilaterally set it up that way. Unilaterally because then it was still British India and so India was not a second entity. India wouldn't accept a border set for it by China for Pakistan would it? Especially one that favours Pakistan. So China rejecting McMahon line isn't surprising or expected to change unless India can offer compromise and agreement elsewhere.
China was invited by the British to attend that meeting for demarcation but refused since it didn't recognise Britain's legitimacy in determining for China and India what the border should be. Perhaps they should have gone to it and saved everyone this hassle but their motivation was understandable. Imagine India going into a Pakistan and China meeting for China to set the border between Pakistan and India.
That may have been possible in the past but not now.
Xi made it clear, China is not going to give up an inch of its territory. Sooner or later Ladakh, South Tibet will be reunited with China just like Taiwan will be.
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