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ougoah

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The west want to control the Eurasian heartland from Istanbul to Lhasa. This has always been the geopolitical end game since the Europeans set sail for conquest of Asia. Not least because of the peoples it would be able to enslave under their standards and rules they make themselves, but also for the wealth of natural resources and the base from which all civilisations are conquered.
 

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While Indian army officers say they cannot match the hightech Chinese infrastructure, they at times admitted to copying their way of living. “For instance, we saw Chinese would dig trenches and then put tents in them,” said an army officer. “We realised it helps warm up the canopy and since then we have been doing that way.

I thought that battle-hardened Indian Jawans were way better acclimated to alpine survival and warfare? Why are they copying spoiled single-child soldiers?
 

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I thought that battle-hardened Indian Jawans were way better acclimated to alpine survival and warfare? Why are they copying spoiled single-child soldiers?

Yep because there is a difference between ground realities + real Indian military level and trashtalking online Jai Hinds who have visited one too many echo chambers like Bharat Rakshak/ DFI and listen to WION + TFI.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Outer Mongolia was disposable, no? The independence of Mongolia is because the PRC negotiated with the Soviet Union in return for Soviet assistance, although Mongolia was self-governing.

I'd argue that Lhasa, as a small city in a sparsely populated frontier region, is disposable. So's the SCS islands, but in a different way. The SCS is a Chinese strategic frontier that's being heavily fortified. Having the SCS get bombed out is not a preferred outcome, but it's preferred to having Hainan bombed out, which is the entire point of the SCS.
It is not PRC that ceded Mongolia it is Kuomintang that ceded Mongolia you get the history wrong
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The PRC recognized Mongolia independent as she was weak and need assistance in Korea war
 

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I thought that battle-hardened Indian Jawans were way better acclimated to alpine survival and warfare? Why are they copying spoiled single-child soldiers?
Wait, I read they can’t use their fancy pre-fabed barracks due to unpredictable Chinese movements… but what happened to their fancy portable “advanced” kerosene heater invented by DRDO, as a SupaPowa the Indian army should have no problems with supplies to their troops. Wasn’t the super duper “advance” kerosene heater invented specifically for these situations and it isn’t like hiding the smoke and thus troop position is an issue since both sides basically know where each other’s barracks and outlooks are.
 

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Wait, I read they can’t use their fancy pre-fabed barracks due to unpredictable Chinese movements… but what happened to their fancy portable “advanced” kerosene heater invented by DRDO, as a SupaPowa the Indian army should have no problems with supplies to their troops. Wasn’t the super duper “advance” kerosene heater invented specifically for these situations and it isn’t like hiding the smoke and thus troop position is an issue since both sides basically know where each other’s barracks and outlooks are.

You need petroleum to make kerosene. It is entirely possible that higher oil prices made the fancy heater uneconomical. To save money for additional Rafale/MQ-9 purchases/rentals, the 200,000 Jawans stationed on the frontlines must resort the economical heating method called "shivering".
 

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I think the Indian strategic community believes the projections made in the West, and assumes it's economic trajectory will mirror that of China's and even surpass it by 2050. Not only that, they are 'discounting' what their imagined power will be in 2050 to increase their strategic leverage presently. I struggle to understand when, if ever, there will be a realization that India will not converge with China in the medium term (within our lifetimes), until the current sociopolitical make up of India undergoes a dramatic change.
 

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Found an interesting paragraph on India's foreign minister Jaishankar'd views on India-China relations.

"In his analysis of China, where he served as India’s longest-serving ambassador (1 June 2009 – 1 December 2013), that Jaishankar offers arguably his most provocative ideas. Jaishankar argues that China is not in fact hostile to India because it “sees India as inherent to the rise of Asia and the larger rebalancing of the power distribution” (p. 40). Firstly, Jaishankar sees China and India as concerted stakeholders in Asia’s rise to power: “The ability of India and China to work together could determine the Asian century” (p. 133). Thus, when he praises nationalism, Jaishankar adds that it is “represented by the rise of nations like China and India, of a continent like Asia and the consequent rebalancing of the global order” (p. 112). The key is his firm belief that these two countries – and Asia in general – are meant to act as a counterweight to the West: “China is the great disrupter here since unlike Japan, South Korea or the ASEAN, its emergence cannot be accommodated in the old framework. The rise of India will only reinforce this pressure for change” (p. 113)."
Interesting but why the rise in hostilities when China wants good relationship and India too (they certainly don't want to fight China)?

Misunderstanding?
 
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