Ladakh Flash Point

ougoah said:

It's going to be very obvious if there is ever a genotype engineered bioweapon. If that is the case, China would immediately understand who and what caused it and will simply respond with the like OR if the weapon is deadly enough, with WMDs. It hopefully will not exit without taking all of Europe and the US with it BUT it needs to ensure that the suspected perpetrators are indeed the ones who executed. This is exactly the rationale behind MAD principles (discussed in the past in the BM thread) that basically make it an imperative to target and take out every major stakeholder, allies included. MAD principle is remarkably obvious and easy but clearly out of reach for some morons out there.

I imagine if the US or whichever instigator has any such grand intention for any major power (all US main competitors and would be competitors are), the targeted nation, would do everything to bring about as much MAD as it possibly can. A genotype targeting virus is fairly easy to suspect and verify. Once it is, it's all out nuclear detonation and any other weapon that's in store. If you think it takes too long to verify, before the problem gets bad, every nation would go all out offensive on suspected instigator/s before it ever gets to a stage it is too weak to do so. I believe if your theory has any truth behind it, the motivations would have been to instigate a global fallout and depopulation event with the expectation that targeted nation/s would retaliate in full. Can they hide their hand well enough though to have plausible deniability? Imagine if China unleashes a genotype bioweapon on India, India would verify it is such a thing and be totally justified in mounting an all out attack on China using nukes and whatever it wants. It would be impossible for China to create enough plausible deniability. In the real world, even if the US did the crime and blamed it on China, India would still follow through. I think that would have a higher chance of happening than China doing such a pointless thing. US wants to see China at war with others and getting bogged down. As long as it's creating obstacles for it, the Anglo US elites will throw whoever they control under the bus just to get their way.

But Xi Jinping's warning during the 100 year anniversary seems to indicate that the powers that be might suspect or know of a far greater depth of US/adversary antagonism for him to so publicly say they will crush whoever wishes to destroy China.

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quantumlight said:

So US, TW, Japan attacking China East while US giving orders India attack China West...

Seems more and more Covid was 100% CIA biovirus to collapse China economy and stop global travel and create the sort of artificial demand destruction so when finally US strike hot kinetic war it would lessen the global blows of supply chain disruption now that the majority of the world cannot travel and are working from home. It would also explain the mrna vaccine forced on its domestic population, perhaps America is preparing another round of biovirus this time more strategically targeting Chinese genotypes and with far deadlier fatality rates to be deployed inside China at the moment they start this WWIII.... and plus the CyberPolygon drill aka false flag in July is starkly similiar to Event 201 simulations when CIA planted biovirus in Wuhan... maybe this month the US explodes a high level EMP to knock out China power grid, then get its vassals Japan, Korea, etc to cut sea cables to China to isolate China from global internet... Then Amerikkka will also round up all ethnic Chinese in USA and gas chamber us to death in the camps..

So while China sick, blind, and deaf, in multiprong shutdown mode US will attack with vassals from all sides, and once enough Chinese nuclear deterrence is taken out, it will proceed with a full spectrum nuclear first strike on China with goal of decapituation of CPC and probably cut a backroom deal with Russia so they get to share the spoils and then sell it to the world as "it had to be done" in the name of Peak mitigation since earth had hit global peak energy back in late 2019, and with China out the way is the only hope of surviving long term climate change etc... right before they backstab russia again in cold war 3.0

Those who think USA is not this evil nor this crazy aint seen whats about to coming

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Phead128 said:

I haven't been following the past 1000 pages but could someone succinctly summarize the current border situation? (e.g. both side's status)

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twineedle said:

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Here is a general overview of current PLA deployments, compared to the LAC since 1962, which mostly coincides with the Indian perception with the exception of Pangong and Depsang.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392713717163384836

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Phead128 said:

I haven't been following the past 1000 pages but could someone succinctly summarize the current border situation? (e.g. both side's status)

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Xsizor said:

This is because India and its LAC has shifted since 1962.

1.Evidence for the same at one location ( Galwan Valley) -

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2.At Hot Springs region, China has a camp 1 km or so into the LAC of India.

3.At Depsang Plains, China has camps well into LAC of India ( this was raised up during 2013, well before Galwan incident).
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4.At Hot Springs, beyond that camp at PP17A (labeled Gogra in Google) -

LAC likely shifted because several Patrol points that were pointed out by one Indian retired soldier doesn't seem to exist anymore.The patrol points PP19, PP18, PP20, PP21 has never been mentioned since. One must remember that LAC is usually beyond a patrol point.It's likely that adjustments from India's side similar to Galwan has happened here too.
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So there are three areas where India definitely has Chinese camp into LAC and one area where it is likely that a change has taken regarding what India considers LAC.

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twineedle said:

1. China does not have any camps within India's line of Patrol in Depsang. As you yourself have said, China is simply blocking Indian patrols going past the bottleneck. Similarly, India is blocking Chinese patrols, as Lt. Gen. Rakesh Sharma said in his article.


2. Once again, no reputable source has mentioned any points past 17 as being standoff points. I have even provided a map of the LAC by Lt. Gen. HS Panag that contradicts your interpretation of of Shukla's claims.

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Xsizor said:

1. I'm not talking about "Line of Patrol". Indian patrols to where? Patrol points. Beyond the patrol points lie the India's perception of LAC.

China's LAC ( indistinguishable with Claims) lie beyond the bottleneck indeed. We've had Depsang discussion before.

2. Your map from Panang doesn't show any Patrol points. You conveniently use Patrol points provided by Ajai Shukla yet don't adhere to the maps or approximate locations he points out along with it.

Standoff or not. LAC of India lies beyond Patrol points. Until alternate locations for Patrol points are ascertained, one has to conclude that India did similar adjustment like in Galwan.

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twineedle said:

As you yourself said, PLA camps in Depsang far predated the current standoff. The poster to whom i was replying was inquiring about the recent situation. The only thing that has changed is blockage of patrols, which has been on and off.

So now Panag isn't reliable? Is he pro Government? All the patrol points I have provided are publicly available.

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