Ladakh Flash Point

[ougoah]

True or BS? (Sorry for using this source, I hate this woman with passion but I can't see English Chinese media talking about it nor is the western media)

WION has in the past published false stories. In this case, they have used some random photos but that's to be expected since most media actually can't avoid doing that and still want to provide visuals (regardless of how out of context) to their brainless consumers who can't go without some accompanying visuals. This goes for everyone including China.

In this claim of China putting a few thousand more troops near the border? Well it could be true. Wion wouldn't know to be honest. They don't have intel or genuinely reliable sources in Indian government or military. Their gov connections are just handlers and instructors at most. While their sourcing of information is always suspect along with their stories, the allegation that PLA have put a few thousand more men on the border may well be true. That's not a hard thing to guess. Glad that China hasn't reinforced with anything substantial. It shows that China does not consider India about to make any moves on anything, not even controlling the 20% remaining dispute. If it does though, more pushing matches for sure. If it becomes a matter of 100K Indian pushing into the 20%, then China would have to escalate because that's playing to India's strength - throwing tonnage of soldiers at the problem. Pure idiocy but it shows India has no military option, strategy or equipment apart from using manual force and presence.

I personally bet India will not even use men to push forwards. Because surely Indian military leaders understand that it would force China into choosing either to give up the 20% and let India have it or resist with firepower. That's a dangerous position for India. China may be extremely unwilling to get bogged down with a war it has nothing to gain from but will China simply concede the 20%? I doubt China will use 100K men to push against Indians. At most, it will perform mirror small scale mobilisation of men and shoving fests but if India is committed to its only strength of bringing in more men than China can afford to commit to stupid shoving fests, then it'll simply need to escalate with firepower or conceded the 20% and risk India repeating this "strategy" on the rest of India's claims. Basically the conclusion is India won't risk it because they know PLA will have to go in shooting because PLA can't and shouldn't be mirroring a stupid strategy that plays to India's strength and China can't afford to allow India any success in using this strategy for gaining land. It'll be repeated elsewhere which means the problem would require a solution before it takes off. Since Indian leaders should understand this, it is my conjecture they will not attempt to take control of 20% and push out PLA using some great part of the 200K soldiers they have there.

 

[ougoah]

My theory for Indian motivation for bringing so many troops (200K allegedly) to this border and that's a lot of people! is either for the purpose of creating a political narrative so that Modi looks like he's acting and succeeding (in achieving his own made up goals) in stopping a Chinese invasion. It could also be in preparation for a coordinated war with direction and coordination with the US. It could be an actual setting up of war with China (just India and China).

If it is the second option, China would probably resort to using nukes on India and the US because it is unlikely to be able to handle a conventional war in two fronts, one against a foe with superior overall military capability and one against a foe with a lot of troops. Troops are easy to handle but require a lot of PLA equipment being diverted from the theatre it is needed more. That serves the US very nicely but so many Indians won't be enjoying the outcome. If it is India on its own, well maybe it understands China isn't interested in diverting significant equipment to the south western borders and so it would be all of India against 10% or so of the PLA and they like their chances especially since they have ceasefire with Pakistan. If China doesn't divert equipment, they will get overwhelmed by India, which means China has to either scrap no first use or use a lot of thermobarics on invading Indians.

 

[caudaceus]

My theory for Indian motivation for bringing so many troops (200K allegedly) to this border and that's a lot of people! is either for the purpose of creating a political narrative so that Modi looks like he's acting and succeeding (in achieving his own made up goals) in stopping a Chinese invasion. It could also be in preparation for a coordinated war with direction and coordination with the US. It could be an actual setting up of war with China (just India and China).

If it is the second option, China would probably resort to using nukes on India and the US because it is unlikely to be able to handle a conventional war in two fronts, one against a foe with superior overall military capability and one against a foe with a lot of troops. Troops are easy to handle but require a lot of PLA equipment being diverted from the theatre it is needed more. That serves the US very nicely but so many Indians won't be enjoying the outcome. If it is India on its own, well maybe it understands China isn't interested in diverting significant equipment to the south western borders and so it would be all of India against 10% or so of the PLA and they like their chances especially since they have ceasefire with Pakistan. If China doesn't divert equipment, they will get overwhelmed by India, which means China has to either scrap no first use or use a lot of thermobarics on invading Indians.

Dont forget UP election early next year.

 

[Kancil]

My theory for Indian motivation for bringing so many troops (200K allegedly) to this border and that's a lot of people! is either for the purpose of creating a political narrative so that Modi looks like he's acting and succeeding (in achieving his own made up goals) in stopping a Chinese invasion. It could also be in preparation for a coordinated war with direction and coordination with the US. It could be an actual setting up of war with China (just India and China).

If it is the second option, China would probably resort to using nukes on India and the US because it is unlikely to be able to handle a conventional war in two fronts, one against a foe with superior overall military capability and one against a foe with a lot of troops. Troops are easy to handle but require a lot of PLA equipment being diverted from the theatre it is needed more. That serves the US very nicely but so many Indians won't be enjoying the outcome. If it is India on its own, well maybe it understands China isn't interested in diverting significant equipment to the south western borders and so it would be all of India against 10% or so of the PLA and they like their chances especially since they have ceasefire with Pakistan. If China doesn't divert equipment, they will get overwhelmed by India, which means China has to either scrap no first use or use a lot of thermobarics on invading Indians.

If ever the Indian army cross the Himalayas into Tibet in large numbers, then that would be the time for the Chinese to make sure that none can retreat back to the Indian side. The Chinese can simply demolish whole mountain sides at the limited number of mountain passes to cut off reinforcement and supplies before counter attack and finish off the trapped Indian army. The Chinese could be employing Zhuge Liang's strategy to destroy the Indian Army.

 

[Kancil]

So US, TW, Japan attacking China East while US giving orders India attack China West...

Seems more and more Covid was 100% CIA biovirus to collapse China economy and stop global travel and create the sort of artificial demand destruction so when finally US strike hot kinetic war it would lessen the global blows of supply chain disruption now that the majority of the world cannot travel and are working from home. It would also explain the mrna vaccine forced on its domestic population, perhaps America is preparing another round of biovirus this time more strategically targeting Chinese genotypes and with far deadlier fatality rates to be deployed inside China at the moment they start this WWIII.... and plus the CyberPolygon drill aka false flag in July is starkly similiar to Event 201 simulations when CIA planted biovirus in Wuhan... maybe this month the US explodes a high level EMP to knock out China power grid, then get its vassals Japan, Korea, etc to cut sea cables to China to isolate China from global internet... Then Amerikkka will also round up all ethnic Chinese in USA and gas chamber us to death in the camps..

So while China sick, blind, and deaf, in multiprong shutdown mode US will attack with vassals from all sides, and once enough Chinese nuclear deterrence is taken out, it will proceed with a full spectrum nuclear first strike on China with goal of decapituation of CPC and probably cut a backroom deal with Russia so they get to share the spoils and then sell it to the world as "it had to be done" in the name of Peak mitigation since earth had hit global peak energy back in late 2019, and with China out the way is the only hope of surviving long term climate change etc... right before they backstab russia again in cold war 3.0

Those who think USA is not this evil nor this crazy aint seen whats about to coming

Is the recent African swine fever in China part of the biological warfare waged on China's food supply?

 

[Maula Jatt]

Theory that

So US, TW, Japan attacking China East while US giving orders India attack China West...

Seems more and more Covid was 100% CIA biovirus to collapse China economy and stop global travel and create the sort of artificial demand destruction so when finally US strike hot kinetic war it would lessen the global blows of supply chain disruption now that the majority of the world cannot travel and are working from home. It would also explain the mrna vaccine forced on its domestic population, perhaps America is preparing another round of biovirus this time more strategically targeting Chinese genotypes and with far deadlier fatality rates to be deployed inside China at the moment they start this WWIII.... and plus the CyberPolygon drill aka false flag in July is starkly similiar to Event 201 simulations when CIA planted biovirus in Wuhan... maybe this month the US explodes a high level EMP to knock out China power grid, then get its vassals Japan, Korea, etc to cut sea cables to China to isolate China from global internet... Then Amerikkka will also round up all ethnic Chinese in USA and gas chamber us to death in the camps..

So while China sick, blind, and deaf, in multiprong shutdown mode US will attack with vassals from all sides, and once enough Chinese nuclear deterrence is taken out, it will proceed with a full spectrum nuclear first strike on China with goal of decapituation of CPC and probably cut a backroom deal with Russia so they get to share the spoils and then sell it to the world as "it had to be done" in the name of Peak mitigation since earth had hit global peak energy back in late 2019, and with China out the way is the only hope of surviving long term climate change etc... right before they backstab russia again in cold war 3.0

Those who think USA is not this evil nor this crazy aint seen whats about to coming

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

So US, TW, Japan attacking China East while US giving orders India attack China West...

Seems more and more Covid was 100% CIA biovirus to collapse China economy and stop global travel and create the sort of artificial demand destruction so when finally US strike hot kinetic war it would lessen the global blows of supply chain disruption now that the majority of the world cannot travel and are working from home. It would also explain the mrna vaccine forced on its domestic population, perhaps America is preparing another round of biovirus this time more strategically targeting Chinese genotypes and with far deadlier fatality rates to be deployed inside China at the moment they start this WWIII.... and plus the CyberPolygon drill aka false flag in July is starkly similiar to Event 201 simulations when CIA planted biovirus in Wuhan... maybe this month the US explodes a high level EMP to knock out China power grid, then get its vassals Japan, Korea, etc to cut sea cables to China to isolate China from global internet... Then Amerikkka will also round up all ethnic Chinese in USA and gas chamber us to death in the camps..

So while China sick, blind, and deaf, in multiprong shutdown mode US will attack with vassals from all sides, and once enough Chinese nuclear deterrence is taken out, it will proceed with a full spectrum nuclear first strike on China with goal of decapituation of CPC and probably cut a backroom deal with Russia so they get to share the spoils and then sell it to the world as "it had to be done" in the name of Peak mitigation since earth had hit global peak energy back in late 2019, and with China out the way is the only hope of surviving long term climate change etc... right before they backstab russia again in cold war 3.0

Those who think USA is not this evil nor this crazy aint seen whats about to coming

You're writings are beginning to read and sound a little on the paranoid side my friend. I don't mean to dismiss the concerns and machinations the west certainly have plenty in store against China but let's not give in to this false notion that everything you're envisioning are what's going to happen or materialize or they're occurring in that order. What you're describing is nothing short of WWIII plain and simple, so countries like South Korea, Japan and even the U.S. are still rational actors therefore their actions are constrained and limited to their overall ambition and objectives even against their new strategic nemesis which is China. Mentioning the remote chance that Russia would join in the fray to damage China is even more dubious considering that once China is hypothetically contained and worst Westernized then Russia is pretty much a dead man walking in every sense of the word. So what advantage would it bring to her for them to even join the anti-China squad of terror?

 

[quantumlight]

You're writings are beginning to read and sound a little on the paranoid side my friend. I don't mean to dismiss the concerns and machinations the west certainly have plenty in store against China but let's not give in to this false notion that everything you're envisioning are what's going to happen or materialize or they're occurring in that order. What you're describing is nothing short of WWIII plain and simple, so countries like South Korea, Japan and even the U.S. are still rational actors therefore their actions are constrained and limited to their overall ambition and objectives even against their new strategic nemesis which is China. Mentioning the remote chance that Russia would join in the fray to damage China is even more dubious considering that once China is hypothetically contained and worst Westernized then Russia is pretty much a dead man walking in every sense of the word. So what advantage would it bring to her for them to even join the anti-China squad of terror?

I'm outlining what I believe to be a worst case for China and best case for US. As for the Russia thing, its never about allies or friendship but strategic interests... if US can turn the tide and get enough vassals on board and by the time US takes out the Chinese TELs and assuming the wind farms aren't ready etc, then The Farm from the US will recommend to whomever is puppet POTUS at the time to do full scale launch and get on the red line with Russia, once Russia sees which way the winds are blowing they will do what is best for them...

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

I'm outlining what I believe to be a worst case for China and best case for US. As for the Russia thing, its never about allies or friendship but strategic interests... if US can turn the tide and get enough vassals on board and by the time US takes out the Chinese TELs and assuming the wind farms aren't ready etc, then The Farm from the US will recommend to whomever is puppet POTUS at the time to do full scale launch and get on the red line with Russia, once Russia sees which way the winds are blowing they will do what is best for them...

But Russia having a strong China is a necessity for it's geopolitical interest and struggle against it's neighbours in Europe not to mention it's struggle against America. You must be aware that the reason NATO was created, enlarged, and maintain to this day is to keep the Russians out, The Germans down, and Americans inside Europe. Russia will always be treated as she has always been treated historically by it's erstwhile then fellow European monarchies as a paraiah backward uncouth state and this will not change even if Putin is no longer the leader of that country not unless it becomes or accept to be like Ukraine, which is a poor bastardized country.

 

[ougoah]

So US, TW, Japan attacking China East while US giving orders India attack China West...

Seems more and more Covid was 100% CIA biovirus to collapse China economy and stop global travel and create the sort of artificial demand destruction so when finally US strike hot kinetic war it would lessen the global blows of supply chain disruption now that the majority of the world cannot travel and are working from home. It would also explain the mrna vaccine forced on its domestic population, perhaps America is preparing another round of biovirus this time more strategically targeting Chinese genotypes and with far deadlier fatality rates to be deployed inside China at the moment they start this WWIII.... and plus the CyberPolygon drill aka false flag in July is starkly similiar to Event 201 simulations when CIA planted biovirus in Wuhan... maybe this month the US explodes a high level EMP to knock out China power grid, then get its vassals Japan, Korea, etc to cut sea cables to China to isolate China from global internet... Then Amerikkka will also round up all ethnic Chinese in USA and gas chamber us to death in the camps..

So while China sick, blind, and deaf, in multiprong shutdown mode US will attack with vassals from all sides, and once enough Chinese nuclear deterrence is taken out, it will proceed with a full spectrum nuclear first strike on China with goal of decapituation of CPC and probably cut a backroom deal with Russia so they get to share the spoils and then sell it to the world as "it had to be done" in the name of Peak mitigation since earth had hit global peak energy back in late 2019, and with China out the way is the only hope of surviving long term climate change etc... right before they backstab russia again in cold war 3.0

Those who think USA is not this evil nor this crazy aint seen whats about to coming

It's going to be very obvious if there is ever a genotype engineered bioweapon. If that is the case, China would immediately understand who and what caused it and will simply respond with the like OR if the weapon is deadly enough, with WMDs. It hopefully will not exit without taking all of Europe and the US with it BUT it needs to ensure that the suspected perpetrators are indeed the ones who executed. This is exactly the rationale behind MAD principles (discussed in the past in the BM thread) that basically make it an imperative to target and take out every major stakeholder, allies included. MAD principle is remarkably obvious and easy but clearly out of reach for some morons out there.

I imagine if the US or whichever instigator has any such grand intention for any major power (all US main competitors and would be competitors are), the targeted nation, would do everything to bring about as much MAD as it possibly can. A genotype targeting virus is fairly easy to suspect and verify. Once it is, it's all out nuclear detonation and any other weapon that's in store. If you think it takes too long to verify, before the problem gets bad, every nation would go all out offensive on suspected instigator/s before it ever gets to a stage it is too weak to do so. I believe if your theory has any truth behind it, the motivations would have been to instigate a global fallout and depopulation event with the expectation that targeted nation/s would retaliate in full. Can they hide their hand well enough though to have plausible deniability? Imagine if China unleashes a genotype bioweapon on India, India would verify it is such a thing and be totally justified in mounting an all out attack on China using nukes and whatever it wants. It would be impossible for China to create enough plausible deniability. In the real world, even if the US did the crime and blamed it on China, India would still follow through. I think that would have a higher chance of happening than China doing such a pointless thing. US wants to see China at war with others and getting bogged down. As long as it's creating obstacles for it, the Anglo US elites will throw whoever they control under the bus just to get their way.

But Xi Jinping's warning during the 100 year anniversary seems to indicate that the powers that be might suspect or know of a far greater depth of US/adversary antagonism for him to so publicly say they will crush whoever wishes to destroy China.